F&O transactions question
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24 November 2025
here is the case scenario
f&o transactions
sale qty 15 cr, profit is 4 lakhs & loss is 10 lakhs
absolute figure is 14 lakhs but actual loss is 6 lakhs.
turnover would be 14 lakhs and let loss would be 6 lakhs then balance figure of 8 lakhs is not matching as per profit of 4 lakhs or loss of 10 lakhs
1. tax audit or itr?
2. if ITR (presumptive) - 6% profit need to show however actual loss is 6 lakhs, means need to do tax audit ?
3. if tax audit as per point 2. turnover would be 14 lakhs as per tax audit guidelines issued by icai but actual loss is 6 lakhs how to reconcile?
My 2 pov:
(1) For the profit and loss account, show the Rs. 14 lakhs as turnover (revenue figure) and then record Rs. 10 lakhs as losses and Rs. 4 lakhs as profits, resulting in net Rs. 6 lakhs loss, but that does not match totalling of credit and debit balance
(2) Sale - 15 cr and purchase - 15.06 cr resulting into 6 lakhs loss
Any suggestions?
f&o transactions
sale qty 15 cr, profit is 4 lakhs & loss is 10 lakhs
absolute figure is 14 lakhs but actual loss is 6 lakhs.
turnover would be 14 lakhs and let loss would be 6 lakhs then balance figure of 8 lakhs is not matching as per profit of 4 lakhs or loss of 10 lakhs
1. tax audit or itr?
2. if ITR (presumptive) - 6% profit need to show however actual loss is 6 lakhs, means need to do tax audit ?
3. if tax audit as per point 2. turnover would be 14 lakhs as per tax audit guidelines issued by icai but actual loss is 6 lakhs how to reconcile?
My 2 pov:
(1) For the profit and loss account, show the Rs. 14 lakhs as turnover (revenue figure) and then record Rs. 10 lakhs as losses and Rs. 4 lakhs as profits, resulting in net Rs. 6 lakhs loss, but that does not match totalling of credit and debit balance
(2) Sale - 15 cr and purchase - 15.06 cr resulting into 6 lakhs loss
Any suggestions?
24 November 2025
Turnover Calculation for F&O
- As per ICAI Guidance Note (para 5.14(b)), turnover for derivatives = sum of favorable and unfavorable differences.
- Here:
- Profit = ₹4 lakhs
- Loss = ₹10 lakhs
- Turnover = ₹14 lakhs (absolute sum).
- Net result = Loss of ₹6 lakhs (10 – 4).
- As per ICAI Guidance Note (para 5.14(b)), turnover for derivatives = sum of favorable and unfavorable differences.
- Here:
- Profit = ₹4 lakhs
- Loss = ₹10 lakhs
- Turnover = ₹14 lakhs (absolute sum).
- Net result = Loss of ₹6 lakhs (10 – 4).
24 November 2025
Applicability of Presumptive Taxation (Sec 44AD)
• Presumptive scheme requires declaring at least 6% of turnover as profit if receipts are digital.
• On ₹14 lakhs turnover, presumptive profit = ₹84,000 minimum.
• But you have an actual loss of ₹6 lakhs, which is non claimable.
• Presumptive scheme requires declaring at least 6% of turnover as profit if receipts are digital.
• On ₹14 lakhs turnover, presumptive profit = ₹84,000 minimum.
• But you have an actual loss of ₹6 lakhs, which is non claimable.
24 November 2025
- Tax audit under Sec 44AB is triggered if:
- Turnover > ₹10 crores (not applicable here), OR
- You opt out of presumptive taxation in any of the preceding five years and declare income below 6%/8% of turnover, and your total income exceeds the basic exemption limit.
Otherwise you have to maintain books of account and declare the loss in ITR. Even in that case no tax audit applicable.
- Turnover > ₹10 crores (not applicable here), OR
- You opt out of presumptive taxation in any of the preceding five years and declare income below 6%/8% of turnover, and your total income exceeds the basic exemption limit.
Otherwise you have to maintain books of account and declare the loss in ITR. Even in that case no tax audit applicable.
24 November 2025
- Turnover (₹14 lakhs) is only a compliance figure for audit purposes.
- Net loss (₹6 lakhs) is the actual P&L result to be reported in ITR.
- There is no mismatch:
- Turnover = absolute sum of differences (audit metric).
- Net result = profit – loss (taxable income metric).
- Both figures coexist: turnover for audit, net loss for tax computation.
- Net loss (₹6 lakhs) is the actual P&L result to be reported in ITR.
- There is no mismatch:
- Turnover = absolute sum of differences (audit metric).
- Net result = profit – loss (taxable income metric).
- Both figures coexist: turnover for audit, net loss for tax computation.
25 November 2025
How to incorporate this into p&l account ?
25 November 2025
In ITR you need to declare just turn over & COA as such net loss is arrived; though actual P&L acc. will differ.
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