20 December 2014
As I cleared my IPCC exam and doing my CA article ship I planned to take up CS and CMA course can I take up all the 3 at a time as per ICAI
thanks in advance
20 December 2014
No you can do more than one additional course of study along with articleship. So you can take up either CS or CMA by submitting form 112 to ICAI.
But still you not able to understand that prohibition on CA student for pursuing other courses are limited upto that courses which interfere workings hours of Article.
If someone chose CMA and CS along with CA articleship, he/she can do but training period of other courses should not be the same.
21 December 2014
Dear Kumar Mukesh read clearly and then make ICAI understand what you want to teach me.
ANNOUNCEMENT
The Executive Committee has noted with concern that the Articled Assistants have been taking admission to other academic / professional course(s) alongwith articleship and not taking necessary permission of the Council, as envisaged under Regulation 65, by filing Form 112. Such a fact is either brought up by the students while applying for membership of the Institute or is noticed by the office while scrutinizing the membership application thereby leading to delay in grant of membership/ denial of membership. Thereafter, the requests for condonation of lapse are being received which the Committee has observed as a totally undesirable / unacceptable position. The Executive Committee expressed its anguish that the delay in not seeking prior permission of the Council for pursuing any other course alongwith articleship has even been to the extent of 12 years. The Committee, having regard to the sanctity of the Regulations and instill a sense of adhering to the Regulations / guidelines of the Institute amongst the students decided not to condone such delays on the part of the students for violating the provisions of Regulations 65.
The Committee directed the office to bring to the notice of all students by way of an announcement in the Students Newsletter that articled assistants are permitted to pursue only one course alongwith articleship even that be a Graduation course for which they need to seek prior permission of the Council by way of filing Form 112 to the Institute. An articled assistant can join another course during the period of articleship only after the first course [even that be a Graduation Course] has been completed in its entirety.
The articled assistants are accordingly advised to comply with the requirements of Regulation 65 by way of filing of Form 112 for pursuing any other course alongwith articleship, well in time so as to avoid unpleasant situations later on.
21 December 2014
http://www.icai.org/post.html?post_id=9649
In Above link point Mo 3 as stated by ICAI “Only one additional course is permitted at a time including Graduation.” So you guys don’t accept the statement of ICAI. May be now you will be saying ICAI needs to be corrected. Ok..No issues, you may intimate ICAI that their statement needs to be corrected.
21 December 2014
Dear Tushar links given below are for you. This is to show to show how your thinking, understanding and your opinion changes with the time. Maybe right now you want to disagree with me on everything but that is not going to change the truth. I may be wrong sometime but I will accept the truth and will acknowledge if I make a mistake.
21 December 2014
Thanks again, but my view is totally based upon the guidelines and suggestion of ICAI and have joined the CMA during the my CA articleship by consulting with ICAI and institute had told me one thing you cannot take training under the other courses during CA articleship.
I think Mr. Tushar will be more effective if he explain the same.
21 December 2014
Kumar Mukesh Ji you can join CMA and with CA no doubt but you can do only one additional course of study (Say CA + CMA) by taking permission from ICAI in form 112. But you can not pursue more than one. You can ask this to any of your senior or any other expert.
22 December 2014
Tushar I am not defaming anyone. I only said you agreed without reading the entire post. I request you to read the reply fully before replying. Now it is up to you whether you take it in a positive way or negative way.
Can you share the copy of said letter for benefit of all students who want to pursue more than one course of study along with CA Articleship but are unable to do so due to restrictions imposed by ICAI. It will be of real help. It is my request to you.
22 December 2014
ayran it is not while doing ca but while undergoing articleship training you need to inform icai in form 112 for all other activities mentioned in it.
22 December 2014
Yup... You are right. While undergoing article ship you can do one course along with CA via informing icai . If u have already completed your articleahip you can go through multiple courses no problem with that.
22 December 2014
Yes Aryan you are correct after articleship is over you can do any number of courses you wish as theri is no restriction.
But during articleship you can pursue only one additional course by taking permission from ICAI through form 112. And this is not my statement. It is clear instructions of ICAI. i.e.,
Point No 3. "Only one additional course is permitted at a time including Graduation."
Point No 10. "Permission for second course will be considered only after receipt of documentary proof of either completion or discontinuation of the course for which permission has been granted earlier."
22 December 2014
Tushar i am defending my reply with link of ICAI as clearly stated above. A reply which was also acceptable to you untill you met someone as stated by you. Where is negative criticism. Where have i used any bad language? I disagreed with you and also with Kumar Mukesh Ji but only you are feeling hurted. Will you feel good if I agree with you?
I feel bad when someone comes and simply rights "Agree with Sanjay or whatever"....Whenever i see a notification of new reply added to queries answered by me i become very curious and want to see the value addition made in the post which will also enrich my knowledge. But when i see replies like, Agree or Welcome in response to thank you of person asking the question, or I see a reply like agree on a reply which is already resolved more than month ago, I feel very bad.
I have not hurt anyone atleast intentionally. I don't think anyone in CCI will say that I have hurt him/her. I always try show the right path to my fellow experts by simply urging that add value with each reply.
If you are hurt with any of my frank opinion/suggestion/argument then it is really my bad luck.
And regarding sharing my views on your mail ID, i will definitely do that. If you have any query you may also ask the same my id is-- sanjay_5649@yahoo.co.in
23 December 2014
Dear Mr. Sanjay I must tell you Ca students are not slave of Icai. During the period of articleship a student cannot pursue any couse which have direct impact of tranning hours.
Both Cs and Cma courses are corresponce courses and also have flexible training. Therefore, upto training period under ca anyone can join and appear in Cs and Cma courses.
Further, even if you are correct then anyone who aggrieved by the Icai can directly approach to file a writ petition if the he proves that Training is not suffered by other courses.
23 December 2014
ICAI gives only one additional course while ongoing articleship that's the theme of it. Sanjay vhaiya's statement is totally correct. Pls if anybody has another opinion then he may write to ICAI via e-sahayata or by calling to the regional centers.
23 December 2014
Dear Mr Kumar Mukesh whatever you have written you need to intimate this to ICAI. I have no role to play in this. I have only stated the provision framed by ICAI. So you simply can not use the word "Dear Mr Sanjay Gupta please correct yourself" as stated herein above by you.
I would love to be corrected only where I have made a mistake in replying as it will help me to learn something and enhance my knowledge. Have I made a mistake over here? There will be many cases where you can file writ petition but it does not overrule the prevailing provision.
23 December 2014
If you feel bad on some body thanking some1 and in response to the thank if somebody is posting welcome to it then i think you must ignore or can turn off the notification as it is not offending you so that you feel bad is it so????????
i have not questioned whether you show the right path or not..that others can decide.
if i am saying welcome to others and if you feel bad then its my bad luck.
yes sure whenever i have doubts i will not hesitate to ask for help on caclub as i belive what u know others may not know and what others may not know i may know as knowledge itself is a huge ocean and no1 can get all knowledge and no1 can remain without acquiring.
24 December 2014
You cannot join in more than one additional course during ca articleship.
If a person files form 112 for 2nd additional course soon he will receive as letter from icai asking to provide completion certificate or discontinous certificate ,failing to provide the same will not be allowed to do 2nd additional course.
If any one is doing more than 1 additional course means he may not informed to ICAI about the same,
Even though i am sure i have also posted query in ICAI E-sahayata lets wait for their confirmation.
I also request author of the query to post his experience from ICAI once he posted Form 112,So that this thread may be useful for future members,.
@Tushar
I cant support you.
Replying "agree with above reply",welcome,thanks(a single word reply in expert forum) is completely breaching the CCI rules of replying(One should not forgot conditions/rules on which we got approval to participate in Expert forum.
For above purposes CCI has created "Thanks Button" and users are requested to use the same.Other wise in coming days we are going to see those replies more than expert replies.
24 December 2014
@ganesh babu firstly you are not the owner of cci to decide it and secondly its just a way of greeting a person which is done even in our personal and professional life....where cci have said you cant thank or welcome opp person....if you are not supporting it then i have never asked you...you can mind your business..dont poke nose and dont make me understand what i should do and wat i should no...i am not your employee or slave
24 December 2014
Okay.I have seen a Frustrated reply,Not a new one,,
CCI rules said "Every reply should add value"
On what basis you have replied to below query,after 15 days--it is okay to reply even after 3 years,but there should be value addition.One can understand this as you just reply for sake of points.
24 December 2014
It is okay to reply with "views of above expert is correct"
But only if any of above experts who have already replied is asked for a view of any renowned expert.
Suppose when there is conflict of opinion between me and other expert i do refer to other experts like Chakrapani warrior and rakecha sir ,cma ramakrishnan,sanjay gupta and aditya maheswari
They may say whos view is correct.it is okay to reply in that cases,
But replying agree with above expert after 15 days with out conflict of opinion in above replies is of meaning less and not acceptable.
CCI is owned by members who contributed to it,People may not know who is owned by CCI but can only remember the knowledge shared by member and later person who shared that information.
Whenever CCI owner concern about quality of the Site and future growth on that day you may hear from him.
24 December 2014
Whether i reply after 15 days or 15 years that is not your look out...and mind you by replying above in your last reply you yourself violated the said rule of adding value " Every reply should add value"
so requesting you not be a watchdog or bloodhond rather if i am making any mistake please pin point it with correction and supporting for same and i will accept it.
24 December 2014
And even the most respected sir Warrier sir and even Mr ankur garg have been using this " Agree with ....." then the rule is not violated or the rules are just meant for me?? i have never objected them as that is a way of agreeing to the above reply in respective question and nothing wrong in it..infact the querist gets more confidence whne a reply is agreed by more person and more so by senior knowledgeable person.
24 December 2014
Warrier Sir is the real expert of CCI. He gave his views based on my request to bring it to the notice of a Qualified CS that Statutory Audit is mandatory for all companies.
But I could not understand why you were asking for my DOB in expert section? You could have asked it through PM.
Further, you may continue to give reply " AGREE WITH SANJAY or WHATEVER YOU MAY CALL".
You will find more than 18000 replies to agree with me. I wish "YOUR AGREE WITH SANJAY REPLY" will enable the person asking the questions to trust my replies.
Now you do as you wish. Have nothing to do with you or CCI.
02 January 2015
Aryan's reply is correct and complete in every manner. And also the links provide by Sanjay Sir is apt one. For the Further evidence you can check the articleship form as well.
But I didn't get Tushar Sir why you used defame word for Sanjay Sir coz I don't think he used any Ullu,Gadha or Bhains or such abusive or unjustified type of words for u ... How can you say that.
Please respect our profession and behave professionally not personally.
And I won't drag this issue and won't entertain silly talks further as it will Just be Bhains k aage bin bajana.
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