Results - only ICAI to be ashamed of itself

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I do not know whether ICAI is proud of itself on releasing a meagre 3 plus percentage result in the Final exam but in my opinion, it should be ashamed of itself. The institute knows pretty well that this country which has a billion plus people has hardly 1.5 lakh CAs out of which 20% are abroad, 40% are employed and about 10% are old & retired with just 30% or so in 'practice'. And India being in the trajectory of economic growth is in need of more accountants and attesters of financials. Yet it decidedly making the output of CAs as very very low consciously enlarging the scope of other professionals like ICWAs and MBAs to enter in to the terrain. Having the exam standards unneccessarily tough, keeping the valuation procedures conveniently opaque and ensuring only a token output exams after exams, whose cause are they serving? Perhaps they want to keep enriching the private coaching academies who charge exorbitant fees. Or perhaps they want to only ensure the Multinational Accounting Firms are in the professional arena after about a decade, within which time all the present practising professionals would have faded away (and with hardly any new CAs coming for practice). 

The usual argument I get to hear from some people who always rever the ICAI, is that the quality of the examinees is so poor that the institute is unable to make them successful. I really don't understand this concept of quality and am rather even amused by it. In a country which does produce doctors and engineers by lakhs in private institutions owned by politicians and "education business tycoons", with absolutely no care or concern about their quality - in professions such as helathcare and infrastructure building - we are so 'concerned' about the 'quality' of this 'journal entry' profession!  Such doctors and engineers who would have secured their seats paying lakhs of capitation fees would naturally be seeking to get due  returns on their 'investments' and would most probably seek to indulge in all kinds of deeds in their profession. Thus, we can produce doctors with dubious competency levels and wealth-accumulating motives playing with lives of people and engineers with little or no concern for the quality in their work, building bridges and airports where all of us move about daily. Their actions are irreversible and can cause incalculable damage.  But,  we must produce only impeccable quality of accountants!  Accountants who can only simply reverse their actions by simple journal entries with no consequence whatsoever! What a wry comedy!

And what about the pattern of exams and valuation parameters? Who are setting papers and valuing answer sheets? Again CAs of yester years who invariably cut copy paste from earlier question papers or from text books available in the market which themselves are shoddy copies of established writers. These people cannot sit and write answers to the question papers they themselves sit and if valuing their own papers with their usual devilish mindset cannot put more than 50% of the minimum prescribed for  a pass. If the ICAI is serious in setting quality parameters which should be uniform across the board, the question papers will have to be only on Objective basis and papers corrected only by computers, without any possibility of human bias. It is not enough to keep bragging that we have the best examination standards and procedures. If such procedures play with thousands of students' careers, it will be graceful to make the procedures better, transparent and hassle-free.

I would also urge that the ICAI takes the nonsensical 'aggregate' pattern out of the system and also to conduct viva-voce kind of oral interviews for students failing by margins less than 10 marks in a group and / or 5 marks in a subject for a second review.

ICAI is already almost divested of its standard setting function (having mortgaged itself to IASB/IFRS as also having been made subservient to NACAS) and is also the Disciplinary function to a substantial extent. It is becoming only an examination conducting body. That at least it should do properly. 

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excellent!! ur absolutely ri8!!! ICAI hardly cares about the future of the students and the country as a whole!!!i seriously dnt understand whats da qality in writing a journal entry when the business itelf is a fraud!! dunno what ICAI think!! after some 10 years or so i dont think so there will be any students doing chartered accountancy course!!

Yes,  what u said is correct. A person qualified with highest quality in accounting standards is now equal to new joining student for learning IFRS.

The whole course of CA has to be changed to suit the present educational systems and to compete with the B School professional. ICAI does not nurture any professional attributes to be a professional in this world. It just makes the person a book worm. One will feel that they are writing a 10Th or 12th exam by mugging up the sections.

We also need to know how the papers are being evaluated.  This is a long pending issue with the institute. None of the president seems to be bothered about the student’s life. There should not be any moderation to be made to suite the desired pass percentage. Every student should get to see his/her paper to see where they went wrong. The revaluation is just an eye wash. ICAI knows how to make money for them and those related to them.

ICAI can incorporate the points systems in exams like those done in IIT, IIM and even Anna university has this system. None of the IIT and IIM seems to have any thing called pre fixed pass percentage to meet the market demand and supply. Still all of its students get good jobs and respect in the society.

I am also a member of the institute but I really don’t know where and how to put forth all these things. There should be some forum where these things are taken up and right actions are taken so that in future the students are not accented. ICAI fail to think that it’s ruining some of the student’s life.

Perfectly said sir. The results are totally bogus. I have lost faith in the correction system. When they can give me 49 marks for writting the question paper, anything is possible........

I fully agree with you all. the system need to be change.  When we need more CA . Insttitute just creating records in reducing result just showing how serious they are. but  every person realted to this field know very well how the paper get cheked and marking sytem. you can never predict about your passing here in this.

Prabhakar sir is quite excellent in his thought.......................... hope ICAI will consider this

Prabhakar Sir and other pls help and do some thing for student

agreed wid u sir...

Sir, wow. what an article. We should send this article to the icai officials who are sleeping.

The Institute is on earning spree and not caring enough of students.

(a) Number of candidates appearing CPT. Fees earned on it.

(b) fees earned from cpt students before appearing for IPCC Orientatation course Rs. 4000 & It traing Rs. 5000/-. Fees is to be paid to the chapters and not for ICAI.  Chapters are earnig so much.

Total amount earned from the students of CPT and IPCC by ICAI and its chapters are ming blogging.

Coaching has become costly.

In my opinion, orientation and IT training shall be made comulsory only after passing IPCC. % of CPT students passing IPCC is low and wasting money on these courses.

Students and members may react.

dk rao

i fully agree with u prabhakar sir.... i totally support you...

Originally posted by : jose.p
Sir, wow. what an article. We should send this article to the icai officials who are sleeping.

@ jose: they arent sleeping, they know very well wat they are doin! they are trying to increase the value of ca's by controlling the demand and supply! but they are ignorant that releasing fewer CA's every year would not serve the purpose. A company planning to recruit say, 10 CA's would not employ the entire budget on 1 CA. I mean fewer pass percentage would not ensure a handsome package for everyone. Apart from this changing rules every now and then, as if experimenting on Guniea Pigs! and releasing notifications and news which they themselves do not follow! In all its very hard to say where there are heading to, and where they are pulling to!

bt wad 2 do nw......v r screwed up.......i clrd in 7 subjcts....bt gt 39 in fm n agg r also less.....4 no reason.... n still ppl gve lectures......

Originally posted by : PS Prabhakar

I do not know whether ICAI is proud of itself on releasing a meagre 3 plus percentage result in the Final exam but in my opinion, it should be ashamed of itself. The institute knows pretty well that this country which has a billion plus people has hardly 1.5 lakh CAs out of which 20% are abroad, 40% are employed and about 10% are old & retired with just 30% or so in 'practice'. And India being in the trajectory of economic growth is in need of more accountants and attesters of financials. Yet it decidedly making the output of CAs as very very low consciously enlarging the scope of other professionals like ICWAs and MBAs to enter in to the terrain. Having the exam standards unneccessarily tough, keeping the valuation procedures conveniently opaque and ensuring only a token output exams after exams, whose cause are they serving? Perhaps they want to keep enriching the private coaching academies who charge exorbitant fees. Or perhaps they want to only ensure the Multinational Accounting Firms are in the professional arena after about a decade, within which time all the present practising professionals would have faded away (and with hardly any new CAs coming for practice). 

The usual argument I get to hear from some people who always rever the ICAI, is that the quality of the examinees is so poor that the institute is unable to make them successful. I really don't understand this concept of quality and am rather even amused by it. In a country which does produce doctors and engineers by lakhs in private institutions owned by politicians and "education business tycoons", with absolutely no care or concern about their quality - in professions such as helathcare and infrastructure building - we are so 'concerned' about the 'quality' of this 'journal entry' profession!  Such doctors and engineers who would have secured their seats paying lakhs of capitation fees would naturally be seeking to get due  returns on their 'investments' and would most probably seek to indulge in all kinds of deeds in their profession. Thus, we can produce doctors with dubious competency levels and wealth-accumulating motives playing with lives of people and engineers with little or no concern for the quality in their work, building bridges and airports where all of us move about daily. Their actions are irreversible and can cause incalculable damage.  But,  we must produce only impeccable quality of accountants!  Accountants who can only simply reverse their actions by simple journal entries with no consequence whatsoever! What a wry comedy!

And what about the pattern of exams and valuation parameters? Who are setting papers and valuing answer sheets? Again CAs of yester years who invariably cut copy paste from earlier question papers or from text books available in the market which themselves are shoddy copies of established writers. These people cannot sit and write answers to the question papers they themselves sit and if valuing their own papers with their usual devilish mindset cannot put more than 50% of the minimum prescribed for  a pass. If the ICAI is serious in setting quality parameters which should be uniform across the board, the question papers will have to be only on Objective basis and papers corrected only by computers, without any possibility of human bias. It is not enough to keep bragging that we have the best examination standards and procedures. If such procedures play with thousands of students' careers, it will be graceful to make the procedures better, transparent and hassle-free.

I would also urge that the ICAI takes the nonsensical 'aggregate' pattern out of the system and also to conduct viva-voce kind of oral interviews for students failing by margins less than 10 marks in a group and / or 5 marks in a subject for a second review.

ICAI is already almost divested of its standard setting function (having mortgaged itself to IASB/IFRS as also having been made subservient to NACAS) and is also the Disciplinary function to a substantial extent. It is becoming only an examination conducting body. That at least it should do properly. 

thanks a lot sir for expressing ur opinion on result.i request u sir to take up this matter with the appropriate bodies.we students will be highly obliged for your gesture.


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