MBA's plz Help us DEVELOP skills that MBA has but CA doesnt.

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CA's dont have one or more of  DIPLOMACY skills / GD/ PI/ Controlling emotions and innumerous small things that help us in stabilising our career and shaping it upwards.

i urge all MBA, HR ,seniors,employees, corp. world members to tell us - 

  1. What we CA lack that you want?
  2. Tell our shortcomings.
  3. Suggest ways to improve our deficiency.

Please people dont fight here and all constructive criticism will be appreciated. 

Older generation passes the torch to younger generation  - So please help us in guiding.

CA community will Very much appreciated your supposr and advice.Thank you all.

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CA's are very good in technical knowledge for the roles they apply - Accounting Operations, Taxation, Law etc. CA as a course is different from MBA's in top institutes. What studetns miss out is the Professional environment which MBA's go through while interacting and learning through case study approach(application oriented). While CA is graded approach by Inter and Final - More stress in final should be given for overall understanding may be a case study paper may help test the Students knowledge of how he approaches the problem than solving the problem.

 

CA's need to develop some of core competencies - Inter personal awareness, Colloboration and Confidence - This can came by way of giving opportunity to the student to present the concept in class, having group discussions to analyse a balance sheet etc. So when a CA completes his course - his objective is to get into a job which is primary motto than also developing soft skills during the training. There are opportunities which are available for few CA's who do in top firms where they get in house training program in doing overall development.

Can we keep talking about what w e dont have rather - we can think of creative ways of building those skills.

 

a. Make a point to discuss and present a topic amongst your friends on a weekly basis

b. Participate in forums and be a student speaker if you get an opportunity

c. Group discussions on Major legislations, or say for ex -how say for ex Defferred revenue exp is treated in Accounting, Law, Tax etc to brign in overall perspective than doing cylo approach of reading it separately.

d. Build Network - from other cities - today technology helps students to explore those opportuntiies and have online group voice conference on any topic

e. Specialize in Industry- by doing research on stock markets, Raw materials - where are they available (natural resources) and present a paper on the same.

Overall CA OR MBA - a person who can adapt to the changing needs of globalization and bring in value addition over a period of his working years will excel .

 

Good luck students ..keep pursuing your goal never let it down.

Cheers

Satish..

Thank you sir we need every bit of improvement advice we can.

 

: CA is a good and rewarding career although, like in medicine, building a practice from scratch takes time. Of course, there is the option of working for someone else -- CAs are in demand in the industry like never before.

KPOs, equity analysis and accounting firms employ a lot of CAs at very good salaries. But remember, it can be a very boring profession if you don't like working with numbers. So don't make a choice based only on the job potential!

Half-a-dozen readers sent in angry emails saying that Chartered Accountancy was a great profession -- and that I was projecting a wrong picture. That no profession can be termed as 'boring'.

Well, I'm afraid I can't be politically correct and will go out on a limb to say that CA -- despite being a respectable profession with great career prospects -- has lost out to the MBA. And, like it or not, this trend will only grow stronger.

The ABCD of CA

Ask most engineers why they did a BE and they'll tell you: "That's what all bright students who opt for science do... unless they want to do medicine."

The situation is something similar with CA. "That's what all bright commerce students do... unless they want to do MBA." Of course, the situation is a bit different. Even those doing the CA may eventually top it off with an MBA.

The difference between the CA and MBA is a bit like the difference between a five day test match and one day cricket. Acquiring a CA takes a lot of plodding and perseverance; at the end of the day, a result may prove inconclusive.

The MBA, like one day cricket, is quick, glamorous and performers get faster recognition as stars.

Okay, let's not stretch it. One day or five day -- in both cases, the players hold a bat and throw a ball. In case of CA and MBA, there is a difference. Both may join the same companies, but their job profiles would be completely distinct.

This is not to say that one job is 'superior' to the other. But the fact is that, starting as a CA, you can expect to climb up the ladder upto the CFO position. While an MBA's career path could -- in theory -- lead upto CEO. There are notable exceptions such as Deepak Parekh of HDFC, but, generally, this holds true.

Why MBAs are preferred
The reason is simple: being CEO is about vision and leadership. This would require you -- at times -- to take a leap of faith, even when the numbers are against you. For example, you diversify into a new area of business. This may mean investing a lot of money, literally burning cash in the initial phase. It may look very bad on the balance sheet for a while, but there is a gameplan and eventually it pays off.

MBAs are exposed to all aspects of the business -- their role is to take a bird's eye view of the organisation. On the other hand, CAs are trained to look at the eye of the fish. And they do a damn good job of it.

But should a CA decide to throw down his accounting and auditing arrow and don a different hat, it is not easy. The mobility into general management and consulting that comes with an MBA from a premier institute is missing for CAs. Even though the CA has battled equally hard; a rank holder in particular would be one among several thousand aspirants.

Overall, it appears that MBAs score when it comes to communication skills, presentation and customer orientation. The 'soft skills' so crucial for success in today's corporate world.

The bottomline is that certain jobs are purely in the CA domain: Statutory & Regulatory compliance, Consolidations, Taxation, International Accounting (GAAP), Internal Audit, Systems Audit, Transaction Advisory -- to name a few.

Other profiles are available to both CA s and MBAs: MIS, Budgeting forecasting, Business Planning, Equity Research, Treasury, Investment Banking, Mergers and Acquisitions, Portfolio management, Fund management, Sector Analysis.

However, these are diversified roles. Many employers prefer to hire MBAs from premier institutes for these roles, as it is felt they are more equipped to provide insight and analysis.

Does a CA + MBA combination provide an extra edge? Well, it never hurts to have a double degree but there's no sure fire formula to become a finance whizkid. An engineer + MBA or a B Com with a degree from a top 10 institute stands an equal chance!

So, how do you decide?

Reasons to do a CA include:

1. Dad owns a CA firm, it makes sense to join the business

2. Professional qualification chahiye. CA is a good one -- nothing stops you from doing an MBA later.

3. You genuinely like accounting. It's what you've always dreamt of doing in life.

As few 17 or 18 year olds know what they want in life, Reason 3 is rare. But Reasons 1 and 2 are perfectly valid.

If lucky, you may find that you enjoy the subjects and become an excellent CA. If not so lucky but smart, you may not like what you study but still become a competent CA. If neither smart nor lucky, you will probably remain a frustrated 'trying to clear my CA' student.

The perception is that the CA success story is 'all or nothing'. Either you clear the exam  -- rather, three different exams -- or you get left behind. Whereas, in the case of an MBA, while only a few make it to the top 10 institutes, there is always the hope of the next 10 and then the next 10.

However, things are changing on that front. In a recent interview, CA.G.Ramaswamy, president of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of India, stated the pass percentage has risen dramatically in recent years. 'Gone are the days when the pass rates were 2-3 percent. Now, if you consider both groups at the final level, these are at 15-20 percent. In a single group, it is often as high as 30 percent,' he said.

What's more, 83 percent of the 6649 candidates who passed out in 2011 were absorbed by industries. Out of a total number of 1.3 lakh CA professionals, 10,000 are settled abroad. Of the rest, 55,000 were employed in industries, and the rest were practitioners. ICAI believes there is a requirement of 40,000 more CA professionals in the country.

In fact, it does appear that ICAI has woken up and taken the challenge posed by the 'lure of the MBA' seriously. A new syllabus will be launched , and the duration of the course condensed to four years.

That's still two years more than an MBA though!

ICAI is also undertaking marketing itself aggressively. For example, by screening films at schools 'to sensitise teachers, students and parents to the importance of the profession.'

 ICAI has started offering 'campus placements.' Not only is this great for newly certified students, it's a good revenue earner for the institute. Like premier MBA institutes, ICAI charges recruiting companies -- Rs 1.2 lakhs is the going rate for  'Day 1' at the Mumbai and New Delhi  centres.

The average salary was Rs 6.75 lakhs while the highest salary offered was Rs 13.92 lakh per annum.

But it didn't make headline news, unlike IIM salaries...

The basic problem
ICAI can shout itself hoarse over the great new career opportunities a CA degree brings -- and rightly so. But it is impossible to fight the MBA. At best, it can hope to attract some of the very bright students who become CAs first and MBAs later. 

The very nature of the profession -- exacting, detailed and dealing with numbers will put off many students. And there is nothing that anyone can do about it.

That is all I meant when I made my original statement -- that CA can be a boring profession. That does not imply that all those who become CAs are either bored -- or boring.

But just like you can't become a doctor if you faint at the sight of blood, you can't become a CA if you are unable to make sense of numbers. Realising this simple truth would save many young people a lot of wasted time and effort.

Karan Johar  believes 'shaadi ki buniyaad sirf beinteha mohabbat honi chahiye?' I believe the same applies to one's career. The only difference is, if you love your profession as much as Abhishek loves Rani Mukerji in KANK, it will lovingly embrace you in return!

 

MBA prepares students to learn with management skills and develop positive attitude, which CA doe not teach. Also, MBA makes you more dynamic and versatile. 

Great contribution by all....

Thanks a lot.......:-)

Thanks Priya, u hav posted a nice topic....yes


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