Did CA lose its sheen?

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There was time when a CA was treated equal to the ones who cleared Civil Services. With the advent of Technology, a lot of things around us have changed. People started flocking into the Information and Technology sector and none seemed to care about the professional courses in Commerce. But even then, the value of our course never abated. But things are a little different now, technology has not only made our job easy but also become a bane as it established competitors for us in the corporate world. Everyone today has access to online coaching, material and updated information. 

Well, if you are not getting my point. Let me state an example.

Couple of guys, X and Y apply for a same job in Finance. 

X- CA (Not a rank holder but cleared all the levels in first attempt, Poor presentation and Communication skills)

Y- An MBA grad from a Tier-2/Tier-3 B-School+CFA L2/FRM(Having excellent command over English, A mediocre in Academics)

The company will not pick a CA unless it is more relevant to traditional Accounting and Auditing which may have a less payscale.

On the other hand, MBA guys from Tier-2/Tier-3 Business Schools are having better exposure and skills demanded in the corporate world. They are more focused on skills than preparing for the College examinations. A lot of them are now going for professional courses like CFA, FRM and an Engineering friend of mine did CPA.

 Members may argue here saying things like "Knowledge is more important", "Everything gets set in 3-5 years", "Be Proud to be a CA", "We are given more respect in society", "Stop posting wrong about the Institute" etc. But isn't this something like sweeping dust under the carpet? How relevant are these terms for 2015?

My point is clear, we are more focused on theory than practice. Of course, we do have an opportunity of doing an internship which less of learning and more of working. Things have to change, the nature of articleship has to change allowing students to learn a lot of other things apart from the CA Final syllabus. A lot of CAs have a difficulty in communicating in English and you can't expect him to bag a high payig job in corporate inspite of having a lot of knowledge.

For an example, I am a student doing my CA Final and my friend just started his second semester in one of the IIMs. I flunked my IPC exams a couple of times and it was a complete break-down for me as I lost by a very thin margin in the second attempt. Now, even after getting decent marks in the third attempt, I am looking for alternatives.

A lot of students are now going for B.Com+MBA+CFA/FRM, instead of CA as they feel the path is more certain. Also, the pay is similar to CA.  A friend of mine, who had to quit CA at the CPT level as it was hard for him to cope up with commerce, chose to do BCom and learn programming languages. Now, he is earning as high as Rs.70,000 from the first year of his job. Corporates, I think, are more interested in skills and talent than the number of degrees  a person after his name.

The reason behind asking this question is to know the perspective of the members regarding exclusion of syllabus which is outdated and  reduction in period of articleship in hours/days.

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I am not interested in public service and more into finance. I am now sitting and preparing for all the MBA entrances. Also, I have asked members to jot their perspectives on the point I've raised and I am not here for any career advice.

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(832)9% of the Total Number(9161) of Directors on 1465 NSE Listed Companies are Chartered Accountants : The Economic Times

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Directors with Bcom Degrees are generally promoters. So, kindly analyse the data excluding that category.

"Typically, board chairmen tend to have people who educate them on issues like accounting, taxation. That's why boards are filled with CAs, ICWAs," says Kavil Ramachandran, professor specialising in family businesses at ISB, Hyderabad. : The Economic Times

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Now coming to "exclusion of syllabus which is outdated"

The syllabus has nothing which is oudated. Period.

 

Infact, in my opinion syllabus is very short. Following additions should be made :

 

1. Paper 1 : Financial Reporting : a) Case studies of Corporate Accounting Scandals should be included. (b)Proper study of how CFO's adjust the figures of various accounts but remaining in the legal boundaries.(c) Techniques of Usage of Notes to Accounts to manipulate the results but remaining in the legal boundaries.

 

2. Paper 2 : Strategic Financial Management: a) Case studies of how George Soros,Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan make billions of Dollars by using advanced financial derivatives(Practical Application of Derivatives) (b) Case studies of Rajat Gupta and Party, and other cases so as to give knowledge about Insider Trading( Use of Information) (c) Inclusion of following topics : Quantitative Easing, International monetary System, Interest rate adjustments by the Central Banks and effects on the economy, Ponzi Schemes, Gold as the ultimate hedge when markets fall, Risks of collapse of paper currency, modern Banking System, Cryto Currencies and their usage so as to bypass the regulated banking channels for laundering of money, How to pitch for Venture Capital, PE investment.

 

3.Paper 3: Advanced Auditing and Professional Ethics :Exposure of techniques of Accounting Frauds: I) Increasing depreciation time length for their PPE by using Notes to accounts, or any discrete method, Effect : Increase in Revenue.II) How to keeping huge debts off the Balance sheet in bad times and include the debt slowly in future periods, when business improves.(The balancing Techiniques) III) Siphoning of money through loans and fraudulent stock sales, smuggling money out of the company disguised as Executive bonus.IV) How to book loans as revenue and how to influence traders to inflate the stock price artificially(V)For Banks, Selling bad assets to other companies with the secret understanding that they would be bought back eventually, after financial reporting. (VI) How to apply Ponzi Schemes with the investors.Real issues should be included.

 

4.Paper 4 : Company and Allied Laws : Identification of loopholes in the law and application of loopholes so as to comfort the Promoters and ONLY Promoters. The law in general already provides the provisions to safeguard the Government, Investors, Other Stake holders. But sadly, the job is given by the promoter. And we have nothing for the promoter in the present syllabus.

 

5.Paper 5: Advanced Management Accounting: Case studies of BCG, Mc Kinsey, Bain and others.Case studies of companies as compiled in IIMs (Cost is 12,00,000 for 1 year for 1 IIM).Case studies of Harvard and such institutes( You can guess the cost by comparing it with Desi IIMs).The Case studies for the subject : Advanced Management Accounting should be purchased by ICAI. The ICAI say that CA freshers are not upto the Industry standard. I say give us these materials and see the intellect of Freshers.

 

6.Paper 6 : Information Systems Control and Audit : Chapter on Emerging technologies should be expanded in great detail and topics like Bitcoins should also be included. Chapter on the implementation of SAP and other ERPs should be included. Chapter on the softwares used by Big 4 for audit should be introduced. CAAT: Computer Aided Audit Techniques should be included. How to collaborate with software engineers for the finance, audit, taxation functions in the software development.

 

7. Paper 7 : Direct Tax Laws : Explicit education on the loopholes in the law and how to use it to maximum advantage of the client.Techniques of Tax Evasion, Tax Planning. How to Launder the black money.How to use Tax Havens for tax evasion.How to use subsidiaries to avoid tax.How to use unsecured laons to avoid tax.How to do lobbying in the Revenue department.How to use LLP and other legal identities for investment as the promoter, so as to save tax liabilty. Explanation of Share holdings of companies like Reliance Industries and how is the game being played : Reliance Industries Ltd inheritor and current Chairman has rejigged his holding by transferring the ownership shares from complex web of investment company holdings to LLP - Limited Liablity Partnerships ahead of the implementation of Direct Tax Code which gives relief if the partners distribute earnings as Dividend exempts from Paying them Dividend Distributin Tax.
LLPs can distribute the Dividend to Partners without paying any Dividend Distribution Tax. The main tax that Ambanis likely want to evade here is the MAT on Assets and reduce Wealth Tax Burden available under LLP Laws.

 

8.Paper8: Indirect Tax Laws : Same as Point 7.

 

9.Presentations like TED should be introduced.Tie Up should be made with top business schools to give quality inputs in the education of a CA student.We want CEOs, CFOs face to face interaction. All the top Business Schools invite eminent personalities for lectures but what kind of faculty we have in our GMCS. They give no industry specific USEFUL tips.They are there just for the formality.Besides getting confidence to give an introduction of ourselves, we get nothing from GMCS. ICAI says we are not Industry Ready. Please invite Cyrus Mistry, Kumar Mangalam Birla, Ambani, Chanda Kochhar,Vishal Sikka,Anand Mahindra, Sunil Mittal to give lectures and see the results. And Believe me, these CEO's visit IIMs frequently. These CEOs see their future top management in those students.Sadly, ICAI has failed in lobbying its interest in the corporate world.

 

10. A department for Campus Placement should be formed. It should be insured following companies come to the campus placements :

  • 1.- Goldman Sachs.
  • 2 - Morgan Stanley.
  • 3 - JPMorgan Chase.
  • 4 - Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
  • 5 - Deutsche Bank.
  • 6 - Bain & Company
  • 7 - McKinsey & Company
  • 8 - The Boston Consultancy Group
  • 9 - The Big Four : For Management Consultancy
  • This list is not exhaustive .

 

 

 

 

 

 



 

Yes You are Right CA has Lost its Charm Except for the Statutory Rights it Posseses.

The Era has changed  now its specific Skill Demanding ,Set up with the advent of technology.If you have a Right Skill set ,You are in Ecen if you are a graduate.

Its survival period, toughest will survive & in long term CA will emerge back to its charm.

 

I agree with you today I was traveling in train the person on front of my seat asked is CA degree paying enough off the hard work you people do, even common man now knows when institute' s eyes will open I just want institute should extend time spend on communication skills to 4 months so that we can express ourselves to the world
Hmm its true bro. I do agree with your point but as per my opinion you should have to complete your ca first then do MBA or whatever you want to do because it gives you an advantage than others...
Hmm its true bro. I do agree with your point but as per my opinion you should have to complete your ca first then do MBA or whatever you want to do because it gives you an advantage than others...
Hmm its true bro. I do agree with your point but as per my opinion you should have to complete your ca first then do MBA or whatever you want to do because it gives you an advantage than others...
CA never loses its sheen... If somebody's skill set is low, it's not CA problem. Not knowing good English is a problem at the personal level with not so good base in 10th std or Plus II. In fact CA teaches a lot of legal language from the reading plethora of the Acts and sections...In QT we study project crashing and stuff which has so much relevance practically with hands on experience. It's just that the course gives what it requires; where you take it or what u do with it is your choice... CAs value is not decreasing but the ppl who qualify as CAs, their marketability is decreased. CA wil flourish.
Rashid sir do you have a blog or something.. So that though not in syllabus we on our own can read and gain knowledge on above mentioned areas??


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