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Big 4's - do they create a better CA ? A big question

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Gunjan Tulsyan (Article) (222 Points)
Replied 24 September 2011

hey u did not discuss about Outstation audits and the stipend thing and about the leaves structure????

CAN U PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF THAT AND POST IT!!!!

DO REPLY!!!

BTW A GOOD ARTICLE!!!



SANYAM ARORA (“It's hard to beat a person who never gives up.”)   (20168 Points)
Replied 24 September 2011

Originally posted by : Gunjan Tulsyan

hey u did not discuss about Outstation audits and the stipend thing and about the leaves structure????

CAN U PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF THAT AND POST IT!!!!

DO REPLY!!!

BTW A GOOD ARTICLE!!!

 Go through my part 2 of my series..........!!!!1


Pratap Mohan (xx) (158 Points)
Replied 25 September 2011

Sanyam,

Between the 2 articles you have not mentioned the following.

Your average working hours. Do not count travelling hours or home to home hours. Tell us your Office in and out hours.

The institute recommends 35 hrs of training per week. I supppose you work 5 days a week. That is 7 hrs a day. So if you work longer hours, do you get compensatory leave, now or later?

How are you managing BCom (if you are doing) along with this?

 

 


Ateeq (CA - Final) (218 Points)
Replied 25 September 2011

Dear Pratap,

Though your questioned is posed to Sanyam,

The common thing in working with Big 4s will be, Once you are working as an article you should not look at watch i.e., Your reporting time in the office will be well streamlined but when you can signout no one can say. Primarily in the busy schedules say July-September where balance sheets has to be prepared and signed, if required you have to work upto 2-3 AM in the early morning and next day reporting should not be reasonably late.

In the very rare case your opinion will be asked, otherwise you have to follow as per the requirement.


Pratap Mohan (xx) (158 Points)
Replied 25 September 2011

Dear Ateeq,

Learning to put in hours whenever required is a part of work life. I do not see that happening all the time. Otherwise, the sturdiest of the workhorses will fall apart. Therefore, working long hours in the season is an okay training, even if not acceptable on paper by the institute. Those who find it difficult now will face serious issues in delivery of work later on in their paid professional lives.

One question that remains unanswered is about the compensatory leave against the long grind. Because if that is available, preparing for the finals will be easier.

 

 

 

 




SANYAM ARORA (“It's hard to beat a person who never gives up.”)   (20168 Points)
Replied 25 September 2011

Thanks a lot everyone......!!!!!!

@ ! @


ARUN KUMAR (Financial Consultant ) (992 Points)
Replied 28 September 2011

THANKS FOR SHARING...............................


Santhosh.C (Audit manager) (48 Points)
Replied 06 October 2011

Hello brothers

A very happy Dussare and Dipawali to one and all.

Lets pray that all of are well placed and given better opportunities to serve the noble profession and the country.

It seems that it a tempory phase which we are undergoing. As we all know that CA PROFESSION IF EVER GREEN . and I would like that remeber the proverb EVERY CLOUD HAS SILVER LINING.

Fortunately I too belong to Ernst and Young. I have done my articled ship from small firms. I can proudly say that I got a very good opportunities when I was in medium firm.I would like summarise the it as follows.

1) I was exposed to various registration of the firm and trusts.

2)I have done pay role processing and internal audit of various software companies.

3) I was a part of IPO processing for a listed company  and I got an opportunity to be a part of QUALIFIED INSTITUTIONAL PLACEMENT. QIP for a listed company.

If I compare this experince with that of BIG 4 I would like to say we get a very minimum exposure campared to small firms.

Yes, of course the brand really matters but tell me friends , how many of us can join BIG 4's

In BIG we really lean structured way of doing an audit and the process of audit will be well documeted in BIG 4's.

I would like to conclude that try for BIG 4 in case if you are getting through try in some you can always ask your friends for more details.

ALL THE BEST LETS MAKE THE PROFESSION A NOBLE ONE>>>>

 

 

 

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Santhosh.C (Audit manager) (48 Points)
Replied 06 October 2011

For the befit of new joininees the Stiphend as may be as follows.

1) BIG 4's same aroung 15 to 18 depending on the city  where as ordinary firm it would range from 5 k to 10 k again depending on city.

2) working hours:  Your reporting time in the office will be well streamlined but when you can signout no one can say. Primarily in the busy schedules say July-September where balance sheets has to be prepared and signed, if required you have to work upto 2-3 AM in the early morning and next day reporting should not be reasonably late. where as in small there could be mutual understanding between you and your boss.

3) Outstation audit : it really depends on your client profile which you handle irrespective of BIG 4  or medium firm.


Hemanth Sai (CA-FINAL,AUDIT TRAINEE) (110 Points)
Replied 02 November 2011

I AGREE WITH YOUR VIEWS SANYAM AND KARAN..

SO IT DEPENDS ON THE PERSONAL INTENTION OF THE STUDENTS WHO WANT TO JOIN big4.




SANYAM ARORA (“It's hard to beat a person who never gives up.”)   (20168 Points)
Replied 09 November 2011

Thanks everyone


mahesh (Will soon be a CA !) (168 Points)
Replied 11 November 2011

     

I have a small doubt ...

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(Guest)

I have appeared for IPCC grup 1 can we apply provisionally for articleship in big 4 before our reults are out?

Is it better to go there personally and hand over the CV? or can we send online?


sanchit (none) (39 Points)
Replied 13 February 2012

heloo mr. sanyam. actually m a ca student who has recently passed ipcc exams securing all india 6th rank. Since m aspiring to do my articleship in big4 i have a queries and apprehensions for which i seek your guidance. i have sent you a friend request here. please accept it so that i can tlk with you personally. thanks




Sheena Maheshwari (ARTICLESHIP) (240 Points)
Replied 30 August 2012

with big 4s u land up in specialisation which some praise ..according to them specialisation is todays demand.

but some also criticise it.

my point is when u r not clear about which field to be in should you really apply in a big 4 for articles??



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