Standard deduction of icai i.e. Manipulation of results PCC

Stop the filthy language and stare behaving like a Human first and then like a student. If this is the sort of respect and values you are having at this stage of life, touch wood, I am really afraid.

Coming to your post. Yes there is such a system, but maintenace of pass percentage can also mean to increase the pass percentage isn't it??.

See, This is how it goes, the Institute will have some sort of idea on the Pass percentage, So,

1. They will set the paper accordingly. (Thats why you will suddenly have questions for 3 marks which you think is bit too lenghy or bit too tough)

2. Make the scoring key or valuation a bit more tighter.

By these things, without making any "MANIPULATION", they will easily bring the Pass percentage down. They don't require to reduce marks when there is an easy, legal way. Wake up kid.

Once the results are combined, if the results are LOWER than anticipated, as they are the persons who set the paper tough, do an exercise called "MODERATION". By this, they are having a select criteria of making people pass.

There has NEVER been a instance of reverse moderation in the Institute.

See, if ICAI wants to fail you, there is a simple way, instead of giving you a 100 marks paper, they will give you a 130/140 mark paper as hundred mark paper. Simple. Nobody, even CHIEF JUSTICE cannot question the paper setting process.

The Institute is smarter than you think. If they do a standard deduction and if RTI comes in the future they will a big messy trouble. So simple, they will not do it.

Right now what is going on is a positive moderation. Good Luck to you
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Shiva

OMG

that is gain a shock for me

i didnt expected that...

and these poor icai foloower says that" oh guyz plz dont belive , this is all rubbish, it cant happen and all that.............

forget it yaar... if they can change the number and manipulate the results than it leaves no credibility of icai

i am shockingly dissapointed..

Originally posted by : Shiva Kumar
	Stop the filthy language and stare behaving like a Human first and then like a student. If this is the sort of respect and values you are having at this stage of life, touch wood, I am really afraid. Coming to your post. Yes there is such a system, but maintenace of pass percentage can also mean to increase the pass percentage isn't it??. See, This is how it goes, the Institute will have some sort of idea on the Pass percentage, So, 1. They will set the paper accordingly. (Thats why you will suddenly have questions for 3 marks which you think is bit too lenghy or bit too tough) 2. Make the scoring key or valuation a bit more tighter.   By these things, without making any "MANIPULATION", they will easily bring the Pass percentage down. They don't require to reduce marks when there is an easy, legal way. Wake up kid.   Once the results are combined, if the results are LOWER than anticipated, as they are the persons who set the paper tough, do an exercise called "MODERATION". By this, they are having a select criteria of making people pass. There has NEVER been a instance of reverse moderation in the Institute. See, if ICAI wants to fail you, there is a simple way, instead of giving you a 100 marks paper, they will give you a 130/140 mark paper as hundred mark paper. Simple. Nobody, even CHIEF JUSTICE cannot question the paper setting process. The Institute is smarter than you think. If they do a standard deduction and if RTI comes in the future they will a big messy trouble. So simple, they will not do it. Right now what is going on is a positive moderation. Good Luck to you . Shiva

mr. shiva kumar i really feel sorry for you....

after a long wait for 3and 1/2 days for the result still you expect us to behave in some order....

uhh ridicules....

i really feel that only the swimmer knows the depth....it’s so easy to say all these bookish things...

and what kind of positive moderation is in process.....

if there is any positive moderation is required than don't you think that it should have been done before 29 jan...

and if you want to set the result than the best acceptable way is doing this by making papers tough...those who wrote well and deserve to pass should have been passed why they suffer the icai's manipulation....

if they make the papers tough than i might know my result just when i come out of the exam hall....

but when i had a splendid paper session than why should i have to be scared from icai's immoral manipulations...

if i wrote well let pass me...

it is not my fault that what % they want...

even they can also set parameters like ranking the guyz let the50% go off. if they will say that the top 10% students will be declared pass... than even this thing is accpetable but things like manipulation in a single subject the suppress the pass % is not correct. only god knows what kind of parameters the follow for that moderation.

good one mate. I can't believe even the CA act had such section.Shocking yaar.

It is believed that talati used to have grace marks of some sorts; passing many bewildered students. And it is uttam who uses the section to fail students.

i Agree with harish

it is purely im-moral

thanks  aditi

and

@ all

the result is not supposed to come today...

i think they will declare by 8 am tommorow

Hye Mr. Harish Suwalka ,

I am Agree with u.in this Manner ICAI is playing with the  Future of the students.it's not good way to reduce the result  intead of this,there are so many other way to reduce the result ,like u discussed in yours article.

Dinesh

CA Final Year Student.

Well my dear friends.......there is no point arguing amongst ourselves, that there is manipulation or there is no manipulation......but the very fact remains that the institute is not willing to give the answer scriptts...and not be transparent.....all the that we have are positive or negative assumptions......

The fact also remains, that the institute is legally empowered to revise the marks to maintain %...... so, no one can tell whether they have used for our benefit or against us......other than the institute themselves.....

I have personally spoken to an examination committe member, who has confirmed to me, that the ICAI sometimes does add or deduct marks from the students actual scorings..... Im sorry, i cannot name the person......he is a very emminent personality...who has got almost all the qualifications related to our profession, like CA, CWA, CS, CPA, ACCA, CIMA....etc. He has been setting the question papers for Inter/PE2 and Final for more than 15 years...

I have seen a couple of answer keys leaked in some of the coaching classes.....in some of them, the instructions were to be liberal....in some, they expected certain exact points......

The sad part is, the future of lakhs of students, is in the hands of a small bunch of decision makers.....who have no idea...as to the logic behind the decision, as to when to be liberal and as to when to be stringent.......The very essence of the meaning of education is defeated....Ideally, the ICAI should rather focus more on the quality of education it provides and regulate that aspects.....rather than decide as to what % of students shud pass.....

Well during some President's term, they used the power for the benefit of the student and gave bumper results like 24% pass in both groups rather than from the usual avg. for the past 20 years of 12-14%.

And during some president's term, they used the power to the dis-advantage of the students and gave hopeless results like 0.25%(PE2)/ 7% (Final).

One should understand that, no matter what tough the question paper, atleast 60% of it is answerable... The question papers of the CA exams have more or less been of similar standard most of the time......

The sad part is the consistency in results.....The Institute shud have maintained the 12 - 15 % avg....through out......rather than the absurd fluctuations thats been happening lately.....

Another sad part is, the future of lakhs of students, is in the hands of a small bunch of decision makers.....who have no idea...as to the logic behind the decision, as to when to be liberal and as to when to be stringent.......The very essence of the meaning of education is defeated....Ideally, the ICAI should rather focus more on the quality of education it provides and regulate that aspects.....rather than decide as to what % of students shud pass.....

Well students...many wud not have made it this time....don't worry....think of the time that u spend now as an investment......don't think as, loss of salary....Im sure one or the other day everyone will get thru....patience is a virtue....Breaking our mind and cursing the institue now is not gonna help us now....really....

If we really wanna do something about it, then lets do it after we are qualified.....God is there....He will tally everyones balance sheet at the end of ones life for sure.....Cheers...

Agreed with views of

Ajay k
Consultant
 

friends my view is a bit different...

i consider CA, CS CWA, CMA as competiiton exams in which top 10-15% are allowed to pass on to next level and if u are one of those u shall pass.....

if u are not wait for 6 more months.....

i agree with Siddharth maybe they only want the best of the best to move ahead.....

This is a VICIOUS CIRCLE, once you had put 5+ years in any profession there remails NO SCOPE of further changes (Quite inconvenient) & hence Keep trying on.....

It becomes more of a GAMBLE rather than serious task.....Since your sincerity remains winded in those ANSWERSHEETS of yours which are even not available for inspection.... Why...?

I or any individual had put 5 YEARS  of MY LIFE on this course & I Cannot see my very own answersheets......WHY ...?

Can any possible explanation be given to this....?

https://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200905181879.htm

expect the worst to happen,..pray hard.....and be cool.... nothing else is witin our control...,