Originally posted by : Kishan
	Bravery is the first thing one should possess because .... if ur brave ur mind will be calm to start with ..... calm mind connects with intelligence,creativity etc.

There you go Kishan.Im doing Psychology course also..and so it has been proved by studies from Goleman and others that Bravery(Mental,intellectual,etc) is more important than raw intelligence.

Intelligence can take a depression route.A person might be intelligent.So many intelligent students come to CA,Why do some end up even hanging themselves?Do they possess inferior genes or less intelligent?

Bravery as you say connects the nuerotrasnmitters in the brain enlivinging the connection.

I knew the maximum response in this forum would proclive to INTELLIGENCE.Afterall,CA is a course,where we use our brain....This is stereotype thinking...

Bravery does not mean some chivalry meant for Army Javans.It means that and more.It means that and beyond.

It means understanding realities,facing life,facing strangers confortably,facign new ideas,facing creativity,facing changign times,etc.Thus,bravery is a broad and encompassing word.it also means beating sterotypes...

Steoreotypes affect ppl and clodu their perception.Bravey is meant for Sikhs,Intelligence for Southindians,etc are all sterotypical thinking which we Indians needd to erase to unite and fight the onslaughts on our country and it has to start from the white collars like us....

Intelligence,yes! But bravery is a rarer trait and has to be cultivated.Nothing comes from birth.Rarely it comes thus...braveyr can be purposely cultivated if one si nto exposed to bravery-inducing conditions...

Lets take our course:

A brave person writes all exams and does not say, "Hey I dint do well the first exam,so let me leave this group and write the second group"...what is is afraid of? He is afraid of facing the other exams with the thought that he ahs left the first exam and thus it is useless,he does not care for other options...bravery makes him think here in lateral ways ..."what about an exemption?"..."what if you get an aggretate which will push your bad performance out and u poass even the full group?"...etc Here i ntelligence is of no use....The more intelligent he is,,,he is held in a logic-trap...I dint do the first exam well so there is no use writing other exams....There is also an ego-fear here.

I just gave a sample.

It is only the brave leaders who have real good communication skills(you mean you can talk to people intelligently like a bl**dy nerd or geek ...or will you talk brave and confident? .,,...which category will inspire ppl?)

who ace-up in organization...

and the rest of INTELLIGENT people work under the brave-IDIOT!

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Bravery is not bereft of intelligence guys...but many a times intelligence is bereft of bravery...

Unless some one is brave one will nto understand what im saying here but yeah do opn up ppl!

arre yaar,....a person who is brave just dies once but a person who is intelligent yet a coward dies a thousand deaths daily...im talking of situations where there is a crisis....

Originally posted by : hrithvik raj
	sorry priya but i don think dat bravery or intelligence either is required for success.. in ma life i follow 3Ds for success 1. DEDICATION 2.DEVOTION 3.DETERMINATION please post me your views about this..

You say neither intelligence nor bravery is not needed? I see!

Ok let me analyze ...

dedication....without some amount of intelligence how can you be dedicatd as a human? you must be able to analyse to which cause you need to be dedicated...right? or are you a dedicated machine? No you are not , right?...so dedication has a substratum of intelligence...

devotion and dedication goes hand in hand..its like sayiong money and wealth...just minute differences...

determination...to be determined in life you need to be brave...try being a coward and being determined at the same time...you cant be ji!

So,...im asking fundamental questions here not playing with words....intellgence yaa bravery....

Originally posted by : D н ! я σ √
	I think bravery and intelligence are completely seperate issues.   It may be easier to be brave when you don't have the ability to fully understand the possible or likely outcomes. But being INTELLIGENT has got the real meaning...       So, i go with INTELLIGENCE

Thats true sometimes a brave perosn might not understand the consequences but the force of his bravery unless he does not have the minimum human intelligence will make his mistakes too a learning curve...

whereas a person who is intelligent yet a coward would keep weighign consequences upon consequences and then do NOTHING!

You can dare to fail BUT never fail to dare...this is where INDIANS lose...

I think it is bravery or courage which is required for success.. Intelligence depends upon one's emotional quotient, which will be high when v are brave..

For CA exams also though one is very intelligent, if not brave enough to face the exams, he will not succeed.

Priya, a BRAVERY without INTELLIGENCE ....... will never ever lead to learning.....

it just goes on making mistakes, mistakes, mistakes and then in the end.., again a big mistake.....

While, at the same time, INTELLIGENCE without BRAVERY will alwz make a way to get rid of problem....

Originally posted by : D н ! я σ √
	Priya, a BRAVERY without INTELLIGENCE ....... will never ever lead to learning.....   it just goes on making mistakes, mistakes, mistakes and then in the end.., again a big mistake.....   While, at the same time, INTELLIGENCE without BRAVERY will alwz make a way to get rid of problem....

i nevr said bravery without intelligence...i just asked to rank....im not so unintelligent to not know that one should have intelligence to succeed or understand what it takes to acheieve success in any field....but it is just a ranking like the one we do in marginal costing...i would give weightage more for bravery.....this does not mean that im undermining intelligence.

Intelligence without bravery will not make a way to get rid of the problem but just create an ESCAPIST TENDENCY in the poerson...

The person who hung due to study pressure in ca is perfectly logical....can u deny that? IT is useless to go behind studies and all that pain and all the articleship torments...death seems an easy way out...it has been thought out by him INTELLIGENTLY...But who is at loss? his wellwishers and parents...and if u belive in after-life and stuff then even his spirit would suffer....as no one has a divine right to take their life out as it is a trust given by wahe guru...

whereas if he was a bit brave...he would have consoled himself and said..."ok the situation is dogs but still mein yeh muqaablaa lad sakthaa hoon....mein jeethoongaa!"

This is where im pointing at....im not sayign one should not have intelligence..im not talking in black and white...but in grey shades....

thanks for the comment dhirav...

Ok oK miss...

u just asked for the suggestion, i gave, there was nothing personal....

 yaar, i pray u become ca, but i wish u should go for lecturing, it suits u.. realy nice, well appreciated....

and its DHIRAJ

Originally posted by : D н ! я σ √
	Ok oK miss...   u just asked for the suggestion, i gave, there was nothing personal....     yaar, i pray u become ca, but i wish u should go for lecturing, it suits u.. realy nice, well appreciated...

Dhiraj,thanks yaar...nothing personall...just that im very argumentative and dont have an internal pause button and do lot of buk-buk so ppl mistake me..but have nothin in my heart truly...best of luck....IM CLEARING THIS ATTEMPT..YOU BETCHAA...I will cosnider the lecturing thing too...i gave my GMAT recently and got 760 and so its a good scroe a nd might be leaving to usa for an MBA....but first let me get this CA out of my way.....

ha ha ha...... that definately seems from ur replies, lolz.....

ALL THE BEST for results....

Brain without  the strength to prove that u r brainy ; makes no sense  !! I think this line says it all..

If u are not brave enough; u cannot face the adversities in life using ur full potential. For eg., when a physically challenged person decides to conquer Mt. Everest, he is displaying bravery irrespective of him achieving the summit or not. u dont need to join the army to show that u r brave. Similarly, those who try to evade challenges of life, are cowards (they dont need to be army-dropouts to qualify as cowards  )

Hey intelligence works when a person is brave.

Bravery is the sign of good mental health.

intelligence = F(bravery) mathematically !!!

Remember ! a person breaths rhythemically when he is brave!!!

implies peaceful mind ...... hence intellect gets activated .

remember your mind will not work when ur in tension

brave person believes  that everything happens .

Bravery is an application & intelligence is effect.

both goes hand in hand

Priya I suppose u will give me full points for this.

intelligence is more important................

Originally posted by : Priya
	In the order of reasons for success in anything,any field,anyone,.etc which one would you guys and gals list as more important BRAVERY or Intelligence? I would choose BRAVERY and then Intelligence....It comes with my sikh upbringing...im a sherni sardaarni!!! I also have some very valid reasons for statign thus... ALL of your comments please....Please, again no wisecracks like I want to have both,I rank both on equal footing,etc...if you say such things,...i would know u are being over-smart and evasive...im doing psychology also mind you!! hehe! just a simple ranking from ur gut thats all i want...dont think hard for this answer....

I would choose BRAVERY and then Intelligence....It comes with my sikh upbringing...im a sherni sardaarni!!!   the colored lines shows how intelligent you are..........   how can you assume yourself that sikhs are the bravest one.  

lions are considered to be braver,  and humans are considered to be intelligent.  you rank yourself,  which one should be given priority.

Originally posted by : krishna kumar
	Originally posted by : Priya In the order of reasons for success in anything,any field,anyone,.etc which one would you guys and gals list as more important BRAVERY or Intelligence? I would choose BRAVERY and then Intelligence....It comes with my sikh upbringing...im a sherni sardaarni!!! I also have some very valid reasons for statign thus... ALL of your comments please....Please, again no wisecracks like I want to have both,I rank both on equal footing,etc...if you say such things,...i would know u are being over-smart and evasive...im doing psychology also mind you!! hehe! just a simple ranking from ur gut thats all i want...dont think hard for this answer.... I would choose BRAVERY and then Intelligence....It comes with my sikh upbringing...im a sherni sardaarni!!!   the colored lines shows how intelligent you are..........   how can you assume yourself that sikhs are the bravest one.   lions are considered to be braver,  and humans are considered to be intelligent.  you rank yourself,  which one should be given priority.

I have never assumed anything..dont show ur male jealousy and insecurity with me...ok?

lion is just a metaphor..i know u are a southindian and a metaphor for intelligence is Crow...crow is considered to be very intelligent....i know humans are considered to be more intelliugent than lions and ll that ...u dont know what a metaphor stands for and this shows ur level of intelligence here...i would also rank a lion better than a crow...many nations have even a lion as their symbol...why our govt has a lion as a symbol...will u go to our founding fathers and say like a moron..."humans are most intelligent and bettre than lions so take those 4 lions out and keep me instead as im a human"??? u just make me laugh out loud...this is what happens when u over analyze my statements and read too much deep....and yeah im a sherni...i can go and say this anywhere...if u have guts u too shud say it....however i leave u to ur analyses,while i have a good time...bye...