Are ca articles really useful?

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To become Associate member of ICAI, passing of Final exam of CA is sufficient by satisfying article ship .The three years period of article is considered as three years of experience and Associate ship is given in ICAI.

But , if you consider ICWAI the associate membership will be given if the candidate passes Final course of ICWAI and possesses three years of responsible experience. Definitely becoming Associate of ICWAI is difficult and worthy compared to three years of articles experience.

If we compare the required three years of experience for Associate Membership in ICAI and ICWAI

(a) In case of Articles of ICAI specific responsibility is not fixed on person (student) , but in case of ICWAI ( the candidate is mostly employee) the three years of experience is in a job where job responsibility is fixed.

(b) most of the times, in ICWAI, the person works and deals in the system of an industry where management practices and finance functionals are present and he learns industry, management and finance practices.

(c ) The article ship experience is an experience gained as a student , i.e. . Normally understanding or working with half or zero knowledge(they are beginners in learning). In case of ICWAI the three years of experience is with in job responsibility . If it is experience as semi qualified or fully qualified, then it is the experience gained with sound subject understanding.

So in case of ICWA , the knowledge gained is more worthy and sound. The depth and scope of learning is more before becoming Associate Member in ICWAI compared to CA.

For better quality in education and knowledge , ICWAI should not think about introducing article ship in its course.

ICAI ALSO SHOULD SERIOUSLY RE-THINK ABOUT ITS ARTICLES AND PROCEDURE OF ASSOCIATE MEMBERSHIP . IT SHOULD EITHER AVOID ARTICLES OR SHOULD FOLLOW THE PRACTICES OF ICWAI FOR ASSOCIATE MEMBERSHIP.

The pass% of CA is more than ICWAI (10-11 times more) . ICWAI Pass % is very less (not number of candidates passing , it is pass%). So the AICWAIs are more valuable in terms of knowledge and experience.

If a Fellow member of ICWAI wants to do CA, he should do articles of three years. He has to deal with less skilled job to complete CA articles by keeping is real challenging experience aside.

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Guest

Definitely ,, you are cost accountant and feeling inferior before chartered Accountants. Why you need to do CA. be cost accountants. Even cwa do such vast experience before associateship , they are required to have more experience than chartered to join the same level job not only in India but across the whole globe. You might have tried ca then shifted to cwa. I can understand you anguish. Please carry on

CA Devender Chauhan

Group Financial Accountant

1526 Points Joined March 2009

Originally posted by : Raj Kumar Gupta
	Definitely ,, you are cost accountant and feeling inferior before chartered Accountants. Why you need to do CA. be cost accountants. Even cwa do such vast experience before associateship , they are required to have more experience than chartered to join the same level job not only in India but across the whole globe. You might have tried ca then shifted to cwa. I can understand you anguish. Please carry on

agree......

Guest

The pass% of CA is more than ICWAI (10-11 times more) . ICWAI Pass % is very less (not number of candidates passing , it is pass%).

Guest

I am a consultant. Try to give valid reply , don,t be childish. I am sure you are not a CA. As a CA also if this is the reply .. lot of improvement in system is required. Don't be like a frog in the well. Have some exposure..

CA Devender Chauhan

Group Financial Accountant

1526 Points Joined March 2009

Originally posted by : Nagesh
	I am a consultant. Try to give valid reply , don,t be childish. I am sure you are not a CA. As a CA also if this is the reply .. lot of improvement in system is required. Don't be like a frog in the well. Have some exposure..

My reply is valid. All kind of work in all ca firms are done by articles only. It is not the qualification which decides the ability of work. Don't target any particular segment only because you don't like it. Please clear all your doubts.

Guest

My reply is valid. All kind of work in all ca firms are done by articles only. It is not the qualification which decides the ability of work -- comment from Chauhan

I strongly beieve most of the times Qualification difinitly decides the ability of work. I have respect to both CA and ICWA. I don't know why "you don't have confidence on CA".

In my comment , I said "I am sure you are not a CA", this represents my respect to CA.

Dear.. be logical and rational.. God bless you.

Guest

I need to give u valid repy because u dont deserve that. u say u r consultant. it is only to have clarify who u r. U r suffering from identity crisis. not me. for got who i am and i exposures do have? just concentrate your identity , i think u may claim u are cma or cwa - a comment from Gupta

I pray God .. "ASATHOMA SATHGAMAYA.. THAMA SOMA JYOTHIRGAMAYA"

In my comment , I said "I am sure you are not a CA", this represents my respect to CA.

Dear.. be logical and rational. BE PROFESSIONAL IN USING LANGUAGE. God bless you.

CA Devender Chauhan

Group Financial Accountant

1526 Points Joined March 2009

Originally posted by : Nagesh
	My reply is valid. All kind of work in all ca firms are done by articles only. It is not the qualification which decides the ability of work -- comment from Chauhan I strongly beieve most of the times Qualification difinitly decides the ability of work. I have respect to both CA and ICWA. I don't know why "you don't have confidence on CA". In my comment , I said "I am sure you are not a CA", this represents my respect to CA. Dear.. be logical and rational.. God bless you.

Hahahaha...... What a joke man????? It never seems anywhere from your post that u respect CA's...

From the beginning of your post u want to show that CWA is superior or gr8 in comparison with CA.

I have never seen anybody comparing two courses with such rationality. There are comparison earlier on CCI but nobody criticised the other course.....

Also I don't think that only qualification defines ability of somebody. There are lots of examples in the world. May be you not yet meet any such person yet.

Guest

My intention is giving a suggestion which will improve the standard of CA course and it will really make CA an internationally more recognized course. You look into my all posts the same intention can be observed.

How many international bodies have such type of articleship? Are they useless bodies?

IIM doesn't have, CIMA doesn’t have.....

ICAI was very passive in changing its syllabus and upgrading itself to the market requirements. For several years .. in CA syllabus even Financial Management paper was not there. Latter it is introduced. This is an improvement in CA .

An institute of members should think some thing beyond their narrow boundaries and should constantly move towards improvement. World is changing . Lobbying and stupid arguments cannot win. Change is must , otherwise you will be ignored.

Guest

We are seeing this situation several times and we are unable to give proper reply for the same to employer if CA is projected as superior to other courses.

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CA Devender Chauhan

Group Financial Accountant

1526 Points Joined March 2009

Ya i agree that improvement should be made ............ but not by comparison

In our life we always focus on comparison rather than improvement.

and comparison is not the solution of any problem.

Compare my lifestyle with Mukesh Ambani. Compare Maruti 800 with Mecedeze. The final result only be sadness.

Don't compare............... It will result in nothing.

And of course if you want to make changes make effort 4 them. Googling don't provide the solution.... It only shows us thousand ways of things...... It is on us wheather to implement or just use google..........

Guest

Nagesh , u dont need to be logical ,rational ,professional or practical. u just need to sincere , honest to any things. u are changing ur statement every moment.and there are concerned to think change in any field. if u r capable to change ,first change urself. and if u become success , then think for other.

for kind information, quality and skill sets of a person can not be measured on the scale of any qualification.They dont need name change and brand building.they refleclt naturally and automatically in the world .They become brand or a name themselves. IIM do not have articleship. But they never realise to change their name and never tried to do brand buliding activies. but they have been autimatically become a name in society not because of name change but because of their quality.

i accept myself that i dont have

Zulfikar Surti

Student

431 Points Joined February 2009

Originally posted by : Raj Kumar Gupta
	Nagesh , u dont need to be logical ,rational ,professional or practical. u just need to sincere , honest to any things. u are changing ur statement every moment.and there are concerned to think change in any field. if u r capable to change ,first change urself. and if u become success , then think for other. for kind information, quality and skill sets of a person can not be measured on the scale of any qualification.They dont need name change and brand building.they refleclt naturally and automatically in the world .They become brand or a name themselves. IIM do not have articleship. But they never realise to change their name and never tried to do brand buliding activies. but they have been autimatically become a name in society not because of name change but because of their quality. i accept myself that i dont have

Fully agreed sir.

@ Mr. Nagesh Consultant,

Anyone can assume from your post that you hate CA profession. Kindly don't make comparion as it gives only frustration. Figures can mislead also. Come in actual conditions. I see many articles handling much professional work than CWA working trainee. So, don't consider it useless. I respect every work and every profession as no work is big or small. It hurts when someone calls it improper.

Regards.