URGENT Tax Advice requested - Share transfer / sale

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Dear Experts,
 
Could you please share your views / perspectives on the following scenario? 
 
  • ABC pvt. ltd. is in the middle of a reverse merger with XYZ Ltd.
  • Employee of ABC pvt. ltd. gets some shares of XYZ Ltd. transferred to his/her name (for a consideration of X/ share) as per management's instructions  - However, these shares are not DIRECTLY paid for by the employee (paid for by ABC's mgmt (probably by cash) to original shareholder).
  • ABC Pvt. Ltd. asks employee to sell the shares of XYZ Ltd. after a few months - share is at a higher price now
  • Employee is asked to transfer the amount realized from the sale to someone else (an individual)
  • ABC says they will bear the Capital Gains tax when it is due

 

Now, the questions are:

 

  1. From an audit / legal compliance point of view, how does this transaction stand?
  2. From an Income Tax point of view, how would this be recorded / reported? Since the employee never actually paid from his/her account for the shares (simply signed a share transfer form), how would he/she even report the BUY transaction as there is no debit from their bank account - is it possible to explain share purchase by cash?
  3. Finally, if the employee transfers the entire money (fairly large sum) from the transaction to some individual, how does one legally explain it to tax authorities if/when the need arises?

 

Thanks in advance for the help.

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Originally posted by : Clueless

 
Dear Experts,
 
Could you please share your views / perspectives on the following scenario? 
 

ABC pvt. ltd. is in the middle of a reverse merger with XYZ Ltd.
Employee of ABC pvt. ltd. gets some shares of XYZ Ltd. transferred to his/her name (for a consideration of X/ share) as per management's instructions  - However, these shares are not DIRECTLY paid for by the employee (paid for by ABC's mgmt (probably by cash) to original shareholder).

- How the treatment of payment is done in employee's hands? coz without payment they can not be owner of the shares. 


ABC Pvt. Ltd. asks employee to sell the shares of XYZ Ltd. after a few months - share is at a higher price now

- if the employees get the shares in their hands FREE, and did not accounted the sum towards cost, then the cost is to be treated as income from other sources and taxable in year of purchase. 


Employee is asked to transfer the amount realized from the sale to someone else (an individual)
ABC says they will bear the Capital Gains tax when it is due
- depends on the employees, coz the capital is now in possession of employees and they can do with the money whatsoever they want, but capital gain tax is liability of them. 
 
Now, the questions are:
 

From an audit / legal compliance point of view, how does this transaction stand?
From an Income Tax point of view, how would this be recorded / reported? Since the employee never actually paid from his/her account for the shares (simply signed a share transfer form), how would he/she even report the BUY transaction as there is no debit from their bank account - is it possible to explain share purchase by cash?
Finally, if the employee transfers the entire money (fairly large sum) from the transaction to some individual, how does one legally explain it to tax authorities if/when the need arises?

 
Thanks in advance for the help.

these are bogus transactions held between the employer and employee as either employees are not subject to tax or they are in primary low bracket of tax. so the employer is taking advantage of income by book entry. its between the employer and employee and incometax has nothing to in it, except the collection of tax at cost of purchase as "income from other sources" and capital gain on sale proceeds. 

Thanks for the help! Here are a few more queries based on your responses. Please answer if possible.

 

Originally posted by : U S Sharma





- How the treatment of payment is done in employee's hands? coz without payment they can not be owner of the shares. 

The co. may have paid the original shareholder in cash on behalf of employee. The employee isn't exactly aware of how the payment happened. How should the employee report this transaction for the purpose of taxation?

ABC Pvt. Ltd. asks employee to sell the shares of XYZ Ltd. after a few months - share is at a higher price now

- if the employees get the shares in their hands FREE, and did not accounted the sum towards cost, then the cost is to be treated as income from other sources and taxable in year of purchase. 


Employee is asked to transfer the amount realized from the sale to someone else (an individual)
ABC says they will bear the Capital Gains tax when it is due
- depends on the employees, coz the capital is now in possession of employees and they can do with the money whatsoever they want, but capital gain tax is liability of them. 

 

The money is to be transferred to another employee (possibly in the lower tax bracket) and maybe from him to someone else identified by mgmt. 

The question is - in the event of an audit, would this cause problems as the co. is still in the process of the reverse merger with the public co. whose shares have been traded by the employee. Or is the employee not at wrong as long as he/she just pays their capital gains tax?

 
these are bogus transactions held between the employer and employee as either employees are not subject to tax or they are in primary low bracket of tax. so the employer is taking advantage of income by book entry. its between the employer and employee and incometax has nothing to in it, except the collection of tax at cost of purchase as "income from other sources" and capital gain on sale proceeds. 

What does the co. actually achieve as the employee actually pays full Capital Gains tax which would be paid to him by the co.? Or, could this be a strategy to buy out shares of the target public co. indirectly?

Originally posted by : Clueless


Thanks for the help! Here are a few more queries based on your responses. Please answer if possible.

 




Originally posted by : U S Sharma










- How the treatment of payment is done in employee's hands? coz without payment they can not be owner of the shares. 

The co. may have paid the original shareholder in cash on behalf of employee. The employee isn't exactly aware of how the payment happened. How should the employee report this transaction for the purpose of taxation?

- in such cases employees are taken in confidence and offered % for such transactions, its not right that employee is not aware of the cost and payment, coz in absence of "Cost of Acquisition" how the capital gain tax will be paid? ask the employee he will accept the facts. 

ABC Pvt. Ltd. asks employee to sell the shares of XYZ Ltd. after a few months - share is at a higher price now

- if the employees get the shares in their hands FREE, and did not accounted the sum towards cost, then the cost is to be treated as income from other sources and taxable in year of purchase. 


Employee is asked to transfer the amount realized from the sale to someone else (an individual)
ABC says they will bear the Capital Gains tax when it is due
- depends on the employees, coz the capital is now in possession of employees and they can do with the money whatsoever they want, but capital gain tax is liability of them. 

 

The money is to be transferred to another employee (possibly in the lower tax bracket) and maybe from him to someone else identified by mgmt. 

The question is - in the event of an audit, would this cause problems as the co. is still in the process of the reverse merger with the public co. whose shares have been traded by the employee. Or is the employee not at wrong as long as he/she just pays their capital gains tax?

- audit is not for the employee, audit is for company and company books are not effected with such transactions. 

 
these are bogus transactions held between the employer and employee as either employees are not subject to tax or they are in primary low bracket of tax. so the employer is taking advantage of income by book entry. its between the employer and employee and incometax has nothing to in it, except the collection of tax at cost of purchase as "income from other sources" and capital gain on sale proceeds. 

What does the co. actually achieve as the employee actually pays full Capital Gains tax which would be paid to him by the co.? Or, could this be a strategy to buy out shares of the target public co. indirectly?

- its curb trading, to accumulate a % of voting rights by accumulating the same through multiple channels. 




Thanks again.

The employee seems to be unaware of how the shares were paid for, except that the co. seems to have paid for them onthe employee's behalf.

 

As a final recommendation: What can the employee do to have a clear transaction record? What should they do so the share acquisition and sale transactions are all properly recorded? Is paying the entire profit to some one by cash / bank transfer (as per instructions by co.) a good idea or should they take some other approach to ensure their transactions are transparent and legally correct?

what if employee refuse to transfer? without clear report ............

income tax burden and further load would be on part of employee, once the shares are transferred the employer will close eyes and throw some pennies to meet the capgain tax ...............

Employee seems to be sure employer will bear the capital gains tax. Employee is also not doing this for any profit - it is just as instructed by employer. However, the employee wants to have a very clear record, file proper returns and not have any anomalies in their accounts.

So, the employee wants advice on how to exactly record the buy, sell and cash transfer transactions? Should they hand over the sale proceeds back directly to the co. (instead of transferring such a big amount to some other employee as instructed), get documentary evidence of payment made to original shareholder for share purchase etc.?

they can ask everything in writing, with clear records of purchase , then they can decide. 

I think it is a bit late as the purchase and sale have been concluded. They want to know if it is wise to transfer to a 3rd party (another employee) as instructed or if it is better to give it back to the co. (by cheque in co. name) so they have clear record that they were acting on co. instructions.

they can stop at this point also and ask for records 1st , so that they can deduct the tax portion from the proceeds

Thanks for your inputs, Sharma ji. They were really helpful.


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