Dpt 4 (query on deposit definiaton )

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Please suggest:

 

As per Companies (Acceptance of Deposits) Rules, 2014.

 

"deposit" includes any receipt of money by way of deposit or loan or in any other form, by a company, but does not include--

 

point no. (viii)-- any amount received from a person who, at the time of the receipt of the amount, was a director of the company:

 

Query 1: for e.g. x was not a director as on 15.04.2012 give loan of Rs. 10 lacs to company xyz. after that he became director on 15.07.2013 and was a director on 01.04.2014, will this loan of Rs. 10 lacs be covered under deposit or not for filing DPT-4??

 

Query 2: for e.g. x was not a director as on 15.04.2012 give loan of Rs. 10 lacs to company xyz,

after that he became director on 15.07.2013,

after that on 20.08.2013 company repay loan of Rs. 3 lacs to X, closing balance is Rs. 7 lacs

after that x gives further loan of Rs. 6 lacs on 30.09.2013, closing balance Rs. 13 lacs,

what amount of closing balance as on 01.04.2014 of Rs. 13 lacs be covered under deposit for filing DPT-4??

 

Thanks a lot in advance for your valuable time.

 

Replies (4)

Query-1:  He was not a director at the time of giving loan and hence it will be 'deposit' to be notified u/s 74.

 

Query-2:  Rs.6 lacs will not be 'deposit' if he has given a declaration that the amount has not been given out of borrowed funds.  Remaining amount of Rs.7 lacs will be 'deposit' and needs to be notified u/s 74.

 

Reply of our company secretary is as below :

Query 1: for e.g. x was not a director as on 15.04.2012 give loan of Rs. 10 lacs to company xyz. after that he became director on 15.07.2013 and was a director on 01.04.2014, will this loan of Rs. 10 lacs be covered under deposit or not for filing DPT-4??

 

As per my opinion, the amount of Rs. 10 lacs shall not be covered under the definition of deposit because the new definition of deposit is applicable w.e.f. 01.04.2014. It does not have any retrospective effect. Therefore, we have to the position of the Company as on 01.04.2014. If as on 01.04.2014, if there is any loan outstanding from a person who is the director of the company on 01.04.2014, such loan shall not be considered as deposit.

 

Query 2: for e.g. x was not a director as on 15.04.2012 give loan of Rs. 10 lacs to company xyz, after that he became director on 15.07.2013,

after that on 20.08.2013 company repay loan of Rs. 3 lacs to X, closing balance is Rs. 7 lacs after that x gives further loan of Rs. 6 lacs on 30.09.2013, closing balance Rs. 13 lacs, what amount of closing balance as on 01.04.2014 of Rs. 13 lacs be covered under deposit for filing DPT-4??

 

Again, the answer is same. Closing balance as on 01.04.2014 of Rs. 13 lacs shall not be considered as deposit. Another reason behind this is, as per old definition of deposit, any amount taken from shareholders of the Company was not considered as deposit, therefore as on 31.03.2014 it was not deposit. In Form DPT 4, we are required to give information of deposits as on 31.03.2014 not as on 01.04.2014.

Please check the same and give feeback on it.

 

Thanks you sir .

But our company secretary adivse us a below :

Query 1: for e.g. x was not a director as on 15.04.2012 give loan of Rs. 10 lacs to company xyz. after that he became director on 15.07.2013 and was a director on 01.04.2014, will this loan of Rs. 10 lacs be covered under deposit or not for filing DPT-4??

 

As per my opinion, the amount of Rs. 10 lacs shall not be covered under the definition of deposit because the new definition of deposit is applicable w.e.f. 01.04.2014. It does not have any retrospective effect. Therefore, we have to the position of the Company as on 01.04.2014. If as on 01.04.2014, if there is any loan outstanding from a person who is the director of the company on 01.04.2014, such loan shall not be considered as deposit.

 

Query 2: for e.g. x was not a director as on 15.04.2012 give loan of Rs. 10 lacs to company xyz, after that he became director on 15.07.2013,

after that on 20.08.2013 company repay loan of Rs. 3 lacs to X, closing balance is Rs. 7 lacs after that x gives further loan of Rs. 6 lacs on 30.09.2013, closing balance Rs. 13 lacs, what amount of closing balance as on 01.04.2014 of Rs. 13 lacs be covered under deposit for filing DPT-4??

 

Again, the answer is same. Closing balance as on 01.04.2014 of Rs. 13 lacs shall not be considered as deposit. Another reason behind this is, as per old definition of deposit, any amount taken from shareholders of the Company was not considered as deposit, therefore as on 31.03.2014 it was not deposit. In Form DPT 4, we are required to give information of deposits as on 31.03.2014 not as on 01.04.2014.

Please check the same and give feeback on it.

 

Reply of other pracisitng CA Firm :

As per the compliances of section 73 (acceptance of Deposits) of New companies Act, 2013, a company is free to accept any amount from a person who at the time of the receipt of the amount was a director of the company provided that the director from whom the money is received, furnishes to the company at the time of giving the money, a declaration in writing to the effect that the amount is not being given out of the funds acquired by him by borrowing or accepting loans or deposits from others.

 

It means that company can freely accept any money or borrow any amount from its directors but only the condition that, he should be director at the time of accepting Deposits.

 

As per Section 180(1)(c) (restriction on powers of Board) of New Companies Act, 2013, if borrowings of Company Exceeds Aggreate of its Paid up Capital and Free Reserves (FR includes Profit and Security Premium), apart from temporary loans obtained from the companies banker in the ordinary course of Business, then Board of Directors of a company can borrow in excess only by paasing Special Resolution with the consent of Shareholders.

 

Provisions of section 180(1)(c) will be applicable from 12th September, 2014, it means if borrowings exceed from its paid up capital and free reserves then company will pass SR on  or after 12.09.2014.

 

Reply of your Query 1:

 

we will see the status of a person as on 1.04.2014, if a person is a director as on 01.04.2014 then he will only give an declaration in physical form and Company is required to file the same along with copy of SR if amount exceeds of Its paid up capital and FR.

 

Hence amount of Rs. 10 Lacs existing as on 01.04.2014 as a loan from its director will not attract the compliances of section 73.

 

Hence there is no need to file DPT-3 or DPT-4 because if the person (if relative of director from whom the loan is accepted) was not cover under deposits as per old companies Act nor as per New companies act (because the person became a director).

 

Reply of Your Query 2:

 

We will see the status as on 01.04.2014, there should be one thing that is Directorship as on 01.04.2014 of the person from whom the loan is accepted.

 

In this case, amount of Rs. 13 lacs will be treated as borrowings from Directors and no need to file DPT-4 (because DPT-4 is for those persons who will not cover under the definition of deposits as per old compliances but as per new companies act, cover under deposits) but as per our case if a person is relative of director from whom the loan is accepted hold the same position as on 01.04.2014 then we will file DPT-4 but we changed the status of relative by giving him position of director.

 

Further it may be noted that :

Section 73 is applicable w.e.f. 01.04.2014 i. e. loans and advances taken after 01.04.2014 will fall in the purview of Section 73 and other applicable Sections of Companies Act 2013.

 

for Loans accepted before 01.04.2014, requirement is to :

file few forms (DPT-4 etc) and pay back the loans falling in the definition of deposit before 31.03.2015 ( earlier repayment in case of deposits maturing before 31.03.2015)

reaccept the deposits after making the relevant compliances as per New Companies Act

 

Please give feedback on the same.


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