Cash Flow Doubts....................?

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1. What are incidental expenses in cash flow?

2. Why do TAXATION come in cash flow from operating activities only....?

3. Why do we write opposie if something increase like current assets they should be added but in changes from working capital

Add ; Decrease in current assets and increase in current liab.

Less : Increase in current assets and dec. in current liab...

Cash flow from operating activities >>>>

Why do we add decrease in current assets and not less?

4.Why goodwill is amortised?

5.Why do we take " Provision for doubtful debts " in changes from working capital and why dont we add it to net profit

Net profit

+ Reserves

+ provision for income tax

+ provision for doubtful debts ( this is not correct but why ? )
 

6.Parveen sharma sir said

if 2 balance sheet + profit and loss a/c = direct mehtod

only 2 balance sheet = indirect method

why?

 

 

Parveen sharma said cash flow from operating activities are principal revenue generating activities and INCIDENTAL expenses ...incidental means left our portion which does not come in investing and financing activities .........

I didnt get good answer of question 4,5....still have a doubt

Replies (4)

2. Our daily business transaction comes to operative activities,so that tax is on income taken as operative activity

3. current assets are increase that means we are some cash on that we paid, so that it will be decreased from cash flow.

4.amortised goodwill added to cash flow becase no cash is going out

5.because provision for doubt full debts is comes under current laibility so that it go to changes in working capital.Reserves,provision for income tax,these are capital item

6.yes


 1st read throughly AS 3...follow d undrmentd link...may dis hlp u...

https://www.icai.org/resource_file/244as3_allnew.pdf

 

1. What are incidental expenses in cash flow?

 

I can not understand please quote entire line of the AS or book where ever you find this .. 


2. Why do TAXATION come in cash flow from operating activities only....?

 

 

Taxation mainly arises due to business operation ,  so it is shown as deduction from cash from operation , in case the tax is from investing activity (say capital gain  tax on investment purchased and sold ) this will surely comes as deduction from investing  activity , similarly corporate dividend tax will be shown as deduction  from Financing activity. SO the purpose matters .


But if only 'income tax' is given it is income tax from operation unless otherwise specifically mentioned !!

 

 

3. Why do we write opposie if something increase like current assets they should be added but in changes from working capital

Add ; Decrease in current assets and increase in current liab.

Less : Increase in current assets and dec. in current liab...

Cash flow from operating activities >>>>

Why do we add decrease in current assets and not less?

 

 

 

 

Decrease in current assets(say collection of cash from debtors ) and increase in liability   (say expenses outstanding ), increases cash balance,  Increase in current assets(say sale made but debtors not collected wil increase profit but not cash ) and dec. in current liab..(decrease profit but not cash balance  ). so adjusted .

 

 

Note: actually all these are non cash operating item .   take a example

this year you have made sales of 25'00'000 ,

no opening balance of debtor  

purchase 20,00,000 ,

no opening and closing stock ,

no other expenses,

and the amount remains uncollected so closing debtors is  25,00,000

and profit 500000(25 lakhs- 20 lakhs )

closing creditors 20 lakhs (for purchase during the year )

 

now you are making C/F statement from indirect method 

(you already know no cash inflow during the year )

 

 

Particulars
amount 
Profit as per profit and loss A/c     500000
Add: depreciation    nil

Less: Increase in assets/ decrease in liability

increase in Debtors  

  25,000,000

Add:  decrease in assets/ Increase in liability

Increase in creditors 

  20,000,000
CASH INLOW   NIL

 

hope you understand , frankly speaking this is very basic concept  and in exam you have to do it very fast so understand it carefully , it is most important 

 

4.Why goodwill is amortised?

 

 

 

 

ICAI says goodwill it a intangible assets , every goodwill is different from other there is no  ready market  so a local pan shop may say his goodwill is Rs. 100000, so being a very flexible concept , they say presence of goodwill is like valuing a thing without basis (although goodwill is one of the most important thing ask the sony brand its brand value has a huge goodwill ) , but presence of non uniform basis, present a diverfied financial statement and position so  it is better to write-off goodwill over a period of 5 years !! let me tell you this a a bit controversial issue , but ICAI has removed this by requiring to write off goodwill over period of 5 years 


 

5.Why do we take " Provision for doubtful debts " in changes from working capital and why dont we add it to net profit

Net profit

+ Reserves

+ provision for income tax

+ provision for doubtful debts ( this is not correct but why ? )

 

 

 

Provision for Doubtful Debt is not changes in working capital being a non cash expenditure it should be added to profit just after depreciation !!


 

6.Parveen sharma sir said

if 2 balance sheet + profit and loss a/c = direct mehtod

only 2 balance sheet = indirect method

whh?

 

 

 for solving sum through direct method you needed detailed information , about P/l and Balance sheet, further  2 balance sheet and  profit and loss a/c is given  direct mehhod is easy, but i will strongly recommended you to solve at least 2 sum by both the method and see what actually happens..

 

 

 

elaborate ur question No. 1 

I hope you  now have understood what Manmohan said...........but what is your first question?? Please specify clearly.......Are they extraordinary expenses??


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