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Big 4's - do they create a better CA ? A big question

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SANYAM ARORA (“It's hard to beat a person who never gives up.”)   (20168 Points)
Replied 19 September 2011

Originally posted by : Krishna

Hi Sanyam:




First of all thank you for sharing your practical experiences in Big4's. From many long months, I was thinking in my mind why members of CCI working in Big4's are not sharing their personal experiences or practical difficulties that exists in Big4. I have seen very handful persons who earlier thrown some light on Big4's work and its problems. Today with your detailed descriptttion of all the practical situations, I was satisfied with your initiative to share with others.

 

Anyways, good write-up with suitable photographs and we wish you to keep continuing your further experiences in a way of series. Definitely this post helps a lot to others. Why don't you also mention the various stages/levels of interview that you have undergone, so that others will have some more clarity to assess and prepare themselves for each stage of interview. If possible you can also include the stipend details for 3-year period, frequency of outstation audits and discuss about the leaves issue after joining Big4, so that it gives a complete picture to all the needy. Anyway you made a new mark by sharing your Big4 experiences. All the best.

Thanks a lot sir for appreciating my work........!!!!!

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Joey Tribbiani (fdg) (2010 Points)
Replied 19 September 2011

Sanyam- Thanks for such a wonderful post. Can u please share some of the questions asked during the selection procedure for a qualified CA,that will be of great help..


Hardik Dave (IPCC and CS Professional(FINAL) Student)   (15533 Points)
Replied 19 September 2011

Realy great article Sanyam bhai.smile. Thanku very much for sharing, i also want to join big 4 after passing ipcc.smile.

SANYAM ARORA (“It's hard to beat a person who never gives up.”)   (20168 Points)
Replied 19 September 2011

Originally posted by : Future CA CS

Sanyam- Thanks for such a wonderful post. Can u please share some of the questions asked during the selection procedure for a qualified CA,that will be of great help..
 

Sure sir i will do that - but in my next post......................!!!!!!!

sorry 4 delay........!!!!!!!

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SANYAM ARORA (“It's hard to beat a person who never gives up.”)   (20168 Points)
Replied 19 September 2011

Originally posted by : Hardik Dave
Realy great article Sanyam bhai.smile. Thanku very much for sharing, i also want to join big 4 after passing ipcc.smile.

Sure bro - All the best for exams.......!!!!!

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hey Sanyam!! its a grt help!! many students dont have so much exposure lyk u hav ...its grt to hear such things !! keep sharing!!

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JPBJK (Student) (367 Points)
Replied 20 September 2011

Awesome post bro......

-Very nicely presented...

- Very well written...

 

- Thanks for sharing your personal experience :)

- Waiting for your next post !!:):)


Take care bro

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CA ADITYA SHARMA (CA IN PRACTICE ) (16719 Points)
Replied 20 September 2011

thanks for the good sharing                    


Sourav Banerjee MA,MSW (Shabda Bramha) (8842 Points)
Replied 20 September 2011

Views of both Sanyam and Karan holds good .

1. Association with such big-shots will always help future prospects of a learner. But being the Boss

in the market they will rarely, if ever, allow her/him to go beyond the well-trodden path.

2. Here lies the importance of the medium-sized firms where a learner can learn varied things related

to her/his work and become more confident which in turn will serve him in good stead in future.

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SANYAM ARORA (“It's hard to beat a person who never gives up.”)   (20168 Points)
Replied 20 September 2011

Thanks a lot all of you................!!!!!!!!!

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abcde (Practice) (116 Points)
Replied 20 September 2011

"The best part of working with Big 4's is that they recruit you as and when you become a CA and will pay you more in comparison to newly hired CA's."

Now that should rarely be the part any trainee should be looking forward to. After 3 years of training with Big 4s,  join them for life time training because they pay marginally better than the industry pays? Does it mean you are not trained well enough (especially in area of finance which can enable you to get a much better pay in financial sector than the Big4s can offer) ? 

Where you do your articleship is to be decided by the answer to the question you ask : "What do I want to do when I become a CA"?  If you are not clear, seek information about the choices. But depending on the answer to this question, you will realise that big, medium or small firms, they all are good in their own way.

And without sounding rude or hurtful, please let me point out that your written English leaves a lot  to be impressed with for someone training in one of the Big 4s.  For example, there is no such word as "hurted".   Your original post and all responses in the thread are replete with such examples. We all have our own shortcomings, but when you say that Big4s have stringent recruitment procedures, it comes as a bit of let down that these procedures end up recruiting trainees who fall woefully short in a very important aspect of a professional CA's personality, i. e., communication. If this is the standard of trainees recruited by Big4, no wonder why they say " CAs should neither be heard nor be read".

I only hope you take this criticism in a right spirit and prove me wrong when you become a CA. Also, do not aim to work with Big CA firms post your articleship, unless of course, you want to join them as a partner.  For getting a well-paid job in industry, a trainee needs a specialised experience in one or two areas. Finance is one such area. There are sectors that pay much higher than these Big 4s - provided you have the required exposure. I can understand a CA who has  trained in a small firm joining Big4s, for a limited period, as a last resort.

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Excellent post,bro!!!! it really motivates us to go for the "BEST"....these firms are not just called "BIG 4's" but for a reason which is their professionalism and their work ethic as well as their committment to excellence and not just their scale of operations....bro,can u please also share some of their recruitment procedures as many of us would like to work there ....thnx again for this thoughtprovoking post and sharing ur experiences....

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SANYAM ARORA (“It's hard to beat a person who never gives up.”)   (20168 Points)
Replied 20 September 2011

Originally posted by : ankur

"The best part of working with Big 4's is that they recruit you as and when you become a CA and will pay you more in comparison to newly hired CA's."


Now that should rarely be the part any trainee should be looking forward to. After 3 years of training with Big 4s,  join them for life time training because they pay marginally better than the industry pays? Does it mean you are not trained well enough (especially in area of finance which can enable you to get a much better pay in financial sector than the Big4s can offer) ? 

Where you do your articleship is to be decided by the answer to the question you ask : "What do I want to do when I become a CA"?  If you are not clear, seek information about the choices. But depending on the answer to this question, you will realise that big, medium or small firms, they all are good in their own way.

And without sounding rude or hurtful, please let me point out that your written English leaves a lot  to be impressed with for someone training in one of the Big 4s.  For example, there is no such word as "hurted".   Your original post and all responses in the thread are replete with such examples. We all have our own shortcomings, but when you say that Big4s have stringent recruitment procedures, it comes as a bit of let down that these procedures end up recruiting trainees who fall woefully short in a very important aspect of a professional CA's personality, i. e., communication. If this is the standard of trainees recruited by Big4, no wonder why they say " CAs should neither be heard nor be read".

I only hope you take this criticism in a right spirit and prove me wrong when you become a CA. Also, do not aim to work with Big CA firms post your articleship, unless of course, you want to join them as a partner.  For getting a well-paid job in industry, a trainee needs a specialised experience in one or two areas. Finance is one such area. There are sectors that pay much higher than these Big 4s - provided you have the required exposure. I can understand a CA who has  trained in a small firm joining Big4s, for a limited period, as a last resort.

 

 

Thanks a lot Ankur forsharing your views.........!!!!!!!1

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SANYAM ARORA (“It's hard to beat a person who never gives up.”)   (20168 Points)
Replied 20 September 2011

Originally posted by : aditya

Excellent post,bro!!!! it really motivates us to go for the "BEST"....these firms are not just called "BIG 4's" but for a reason which is their professionalism and their work ethic as well as their committment to excellence and not just their scale of operations....bro,can u please also share some of their recruitment procedures as many of us would like to work there ....thnx again for this thoughtprovoking post and sharing ur experiences....
 

Thanks ........!!!!!!1



Akansha (student) (92 Points)
Replied 20 September 2011

HEY THNKX SANYAM,TNK U A LOT:D..........DIMAAG ME ITNI KHICHDI PAK RAHI THI,BG 4 KO LEKAR,I THNK IT IS GTN RESOLVD SLOWLY...........N PLSSSSSSSSSSSS DO TEMME FU THNGS ALSO.....

1. DO MRX MATTER 4 GTN SELCTD DRE IF U R PRESENTABL ENUFF??

2. DO U REALY NEED 2 HAV REFERENC 2 GT IN DRE??

3. DO U JUS GT INVOLVD IN 1 PARTICULAR DEPTT,I MEAN IS DRE NE SPECIALISTAION??

4. N CN U GT TRANSFERD 4M DRE 2 NE ODR FIRM...........???

PLS REPLY SOON............M WAITING 4 IT...........:D

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