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Successful and sincere CA with Dummy Articleship


(Guest)

I am going to explain now about one of my friends who has just become a member of ICAI a week back.

 

He has undergone 15 months of Articleship sincerely and for the remaining period he has taken dummy Articleship by paying 18000. He believes that 15 months of Articleship is more than enough. "In CS, the training period is 15 months only. So why the training period is 3 years in CA?" he says. Even though, the profession of a Company Secretary is very much different from that a Chartered Accountant and the scope of a Chartered Accountant is much wider than that of a Company Secretary, he still believes that 3 years of Articleship is really a too longer period to serve as slaves under the Chartered Accountants. Also he has a very genuine problem due to which he cannot undergo 3 years of Articleship without going for dummy. He has also managed to clear the exams in the 1st attempt itself. Now he is really very very confident that he is going to have a very successful carreer.



I request the students and experts to give your views.

Thanks


 14 Replies

CA MAYANK WADHERA (CA CS CMA(I)) (789 Points)
Replied 24 June 2011

PLEASE TELL HIS ROLL NO.

I JUST WANT TO SEE HIS MARKS

THEN I WILL COMMENT 

I AM NOT A CA STUDENT

CA Alok Modak (CA in Practice) (595 Points)
Replied 24 June 2011

Originally posted by : mayank wadhera


PLEASE TELL HIS ROLL NO.

As if He is goin to really tell you.

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rahul (Chartered Accountant and CS Prof.)   (5470 Points)
Replied 24 June 2011

Originally posted by : mayank wadhera

PLEASE TELL HIS ROLL NO.

GEETA MISTRY (ca final Student) (171 Points)
Replied 24 June 2011

i dont want to comment .

but one should do articleship because u can get pratical exposure.

as u told he or she has problem .. then it be good if problem is genuie

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CA Priya (CS Final) (1048 Points)
Replied 24 June 2011

Oh does the logic goes likes this....... If cs 15 months then why only 3 yrs for CA????????? Fine if any other course doesn't have articleship period then that is superior and wny at all articleship exist??????????? Hmm........... I wonder what type of thought is this like a LKG Kid?????????


(Guest)

Chartered Accountancy Course is nothing without articleship...!! :/

articleship is the beauty of our course! thanx to my boss for giving me work..!


(Guest)

he did the right thing by doing it for 15 months ,3 years is a long time to be working like a slave in a payment below minimum wage.I have completed about 1 year and have got job offers for accounting positions from co.s but my principal wont give me dummy so im thinking of transferring to a different firm taking dummy there and working as a paid up in any other co.Can someone advise me on this idea,would this be right?

Ravi Shaw (7 Points)
Replied 02 June 2018

What to do if a student took articleship in small firm.thereafter he comes to know that there is no exposure as such he was expected. Although such firm pay stipend more than 5k pm.and bank audit is more
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NAVEEN CHAND (GST Practitioner) (12615 Points)
Replied 02 June 2018

TRAINING OF 3 YRS IS A PART OF CA 

SO COMPLETE TRAINING THEN PREPARE FOR CA EXAMS 

 

IT TAKES TIME BUT YOU WILL BE SUCCESSFUL CA AND NOTHING 

ALL THE BEST !!

Abhinav singh (9 Points)
Replied 02 July 2020

Most of the students do articleahip in small firms where majority of their work is limited to Taxation and few audits. We must also acknowledge that apart from accounting and auditing there are ample opportunities for a CA lile capital market, credit management etc where none of your articleship xp really matters. I've many examples with me who did dumm for most of their articleship period, scored well in exams then they got job in banks and companies on non accounting and auditing job profiles and are doing well.

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Ritik Chopra (student) (7983 Points)
Replied 11 March 2021

In my opinion 3years of articleship is appropriate as a student would get to work  and solve various problems of practical training. One may say that the second year is just repetition of work done in first year but it will make you more confident and competent at your work . It depends upon you how much you have to stretch yourself in that period. 

Ravan Lanka (CA) (27 Points)
Replied 26 May 2021

To start with, I would like you to read the whole discussion before forming a prejudice.

CA as a course is without a doubt one of the best options to form a strong and successful career, BUT 3 YEARS OF ARTICLESHIP TRAINING IS JUST WAY TOO MUCH.

LET ME ELABORATE ON THIS.

1. The reality is that EVERYONE deep down know how unfair the rules are towards CA students, and so does the institute (ICAI). But the president and the committee cannot decide to change the existing rules regarding the articleship tenure (which is ridiculously high) and the basic stipend limit (which is ridiculously low), because they need votes and the votes come from the members of the institute ( who has already completed CA and registered under the institute as members).

2. Half of the existing members in the Institute who disagree about this are all these small scale practicing members and all these Mid and large scale companies who are getting CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP LABOUR (SLAVES) for 3 years. Where the amount of work done by all the people (articles and employees) remain more or less the same after the first 2-3 months of training, but when it comes to stipends, they act as though they are doing these articles a favor by paying them Rs.5000 - Rs.7000 by saying "institute had actually set the basic limit to be Rs.2500/Month, but we are paying you this much.....etc etc". (My firm is guilty for this as well)

3. And the other half are the ones who have a mindset of a 9 Year old who believe they've gone through the same and doesn't want the rules to change after they have completed the course (this is one of the conversations I overheard some of the people discuss in my work place during a break).

4. I personally believe Articleship period shouldn't be more than 1.5 to 2 years long, because lot of students tend to quit and sometimes forced by the situations to quit even before completing the course because of the financial issues, as we know how GREAT our articles get paid ( IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE A JOKE). Not to mention, lot of students end up in depression as well.

5. Another point to be noted is regardless of how sincerely one has gone through the articleship phase. When he/she joins a company, they have to mandatorily serve the training period where they anyway learn to get stuff done.

6. Also many students move to a different city to study and get into articles, and they're not able to pay for their basic transportation charges from their so called stipend and neither are the parents in the situation to provide their child with enough money after paying for the ward's PG rent. I felt so sad and pity when I saw one of my old coaching friend living in a place which CANNOT be called home. And some of us who were lucky enough to be able to get money from our parents without much issues till this date find it a little funny that we had to ask for money from our parents even after working (slogging) 10+ hours a day.

 

To conclude my discussion, I just wanna say that 15 months might be just a tiny bit early but, he has probably done the right thing suited for him whether people consider it acting on impulse or whatever. It is a little risky but he has already gone through it so it should not be an issue.

 

I hope all of you have a nice day and successful career ahead, Thank you.

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Sunil Thomas GST Practitioner (12 Points)
Replied 13 June 2021

Poor students from villages are trapped in 3 years of Articleship, treating like slaves.Those who are from city and very influential  doing dummy, by payment. It creates inequality in exam papers.

A student doing dummy and attending  regular classes solving past years problems several time with coaching from experts sit exam with an Article student hardly getting 10 % of time to prepare exams, compared to dummies, will definitely struggle to crack exams .

The practical experience from Articles , can be obtained after passing CA.

 

 

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(Guest)

Many children of CAs do dummy articleship and clear CA really fast which is a mystery. This is injustice to students who genuinely slog for 3 years articleship getting minimum pay (ie getting paid as per institute's standards) and that too getting paid for the month after 15th of the next month. Some even have to plead the principal to give them the stipend which they conveniently say they'd forgotten.

 


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