PPF A/C for my family members

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Sorry I asked the similar question earlier but so far did not receive a reply which will help us to undrstand the concept.

The problem is that my son wants to open a PPF A/C for his son. He already deposits Rs. 70000/- in

his own PPF A/C & wants to deposit some money every year in his son's PPF A/C. He contacted a SBI

Branch Manager. Manager told him that he can open PPF A/C in name of his son (U/G of my son as his son is a

minor) but  the total amount which he can deposit in his PPF A/C & his son's PPF A/C (clubbed together) can not exceed

Rs. 70000/- in a year. We were under impression that he can deposit Rs. 70000/- in his PPF account & additionally he can deposit Rs. 70000/- in his son's PPF A/C. Kindly suggest & if possible send URL on which we can read this information.

Thanking you. Best regards, RAKESH

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You can deposit the amount in both the account. But the deduction u/s 80c of the Income Tax act  limited to Rs 70000- 

In my opinion, branch manager is right. not more than Rs. 70,000/- per year for borth ppf a/c.

Rs. 70000/- limit is not in IT Act for deduction U/s 80 C.

As per PPF Rules the max contribution to PPF by an individual A/c is limited to 70000/-.

But you can claim total 100000 u/s 80 C by contributing to PPF. Rs. 70000 contribution in the your own name & balance 30000/- can be in son's name.

I agree with Branch manager. You can not deposit more than 70,000/- per year for both account

i agree with ms. sheetal

You can deposit the amount in both the account. But the deduction u/s 80c of the Income Tax act  limited to Rs 70000- 

Try a different branch..

 

Returns

Interest 8.0% p.a. (compounded annually) is credited to the PPF account at the end of each financial year.

Investment Limitation

Min Amount :Rs. 500/- and additional investment in multiples of Rs 5/-

Max Amount    Rs. 70,000/-   

Scheme Availability

A PPF account can be opened at anytime during the year. It is open all through the year.

Mode of Operation

  • Single
  • Joint (Two or more)
  • Minor with parent/guardian

Nomination

Nomination can be done at the time of opening the account or during the tenor of the account.

Tenure of Investment

15 years from the date of initial investment with a block of 5 years there-after upto a max of 30 years incl. 15 years.

Maturity

The PPF account matures after 15 years. One can then exercise on option of continuing the account for an additional block of 5 years or close it.

 

Loans

The first loan can be taken in the third financial year from the date of opening of the account, or upto 25% of the amount at credit at the end of the first financial year. The facility can be availed of any before expiry of 5 years from the end of the year in which the initial subscripttion was made. The loan is repayable either in lumpsum or in convenient installments numbering not more than 36. Interest at 1% would be charged if loan is repaid in 36 months. Such interest should of loan is not repaid within 36 months, interest on outstanding amount of loan would be charged at 6%.

Withdrawal

A withdrawl is permissible every year from the seventh financial year of the date of opening of the account, of an amount not exceeding 50% of the balance at the end of the 4th proceeding year or the year immediately proceeding the year of the withdrawal, whichever is lower, less the amount of loan if any.

Tax Benefits

Tax benefits can be availed under sections 88 for the amount invested. Interest accrued is Tax free.

Tips for Investing

  • Apart from a Post Office, a PPF account can also be opened in SBI & its associates and other select nationalized banks.
  • The most popular tax saving instrument which gives a rebate under section 88.
  • A PPF account cannot be attached by the Govt. or any court of law or through any decree.

Terms

 

Who can open a PPF account ?

A PPF account can be opened by an individual on his own behalf or on behalf of a minor of whom he is the guardian or on behalf of an association of persons or a body of individuals. An individual can open only one account for himself.

Transfer

The account can be transferred at the request of the subscriber from one office to another, including from Bank to Post Office and vice- versa all over the country.

Nomination

A subscriber may nominate one or more persons to receive the amount standing to his credit in the event of his death. No nomination can, however, be made in respect of an account opened on behalf of a minor.
In the event of the death of the subscriber, the amount standing to his credit can be repaid to his nominee or legal heir, as the case may be, even before the expiry of fifteen years. Legal hairs can claim the amount upto Rupees One Lakh without production of succession certificate after observing certain formalities.

Payment Default

If the PPF account-holder fails to deposit the minimum Rs 500 in a given financial year, the account is considered as discontinued but the interest will continue to accrue and be paid at the end of the term. Loans and withdrawals are not allowed. This account can be revived on payment of a fee of Rs 50 for each year of default, along with the arrears of subscripttion of Rs 500 for each such year

Termination of an Account

No PPF account can be terminated before its completion. However, if requests for premature closure of PPF accounts and refund of deposits from the subscribers are genuine in nature, such cases can be dealt with under Rule 13 of the scheme.
Since no withdrawal is permissible before the expiry of four years from the end of the year in which the account was opened vide para 9 (withdrawal) of the scheme, the request for termination or closure of accounts can be considered only after the expiry of the said period.
For example, the request for premature closure of accounts opened in 1988-89 can be considered only after 1.4.1994.
Such requests may, therefore, be forwarded to the Ministry of Finance alongwith the following information -

  • Name and address of the account holder
  • Account number
  • Date on which the account was opened
  • Loans availed of if any from the account with dates and position regarding repayment
  • Satisfactory reasons given for the request and evidence in support thereof
  • Designation and address of the income tax authority under whose jurisdiction the subscriber falls
  • Any other information relevant to the request.

Free from any Attachment

A PPF account is free from any attachment under any order or decree of a court in respect of any debt or other liability incurred by him

PPF for NRIs

Non Resident Indians may also open a PPF account out of the funds in the applicant's non-resident account in India in banks subject to the following conditions -

  • The account is marked as non-resident account
  • All credits therein or debits thereto are made subject to the same regulations as are applicable to non-resident account.

 

 

Some facts you should know about PPF:

Fact 1. Two is too much

Just like a PAN card, every individual is authorized to have only one PPF account in their name. As per the rules, if at any point, it becomes evident that you are operating two or more accounts under your own name, then all the accounts except the oldest one will be force-closed and the principal paid back to you. Any interest that is credited to your account will be reversed and only the original principal is returned.

Fact 2. Yearly contributions limited to Rs 70,000

Simply put, under the current rules, the bank or post office will not accept any amount above Rs. 70,000 limit per year. This limit is fixed by the prevailing PPF rules and is subject to change (This limit used to be Rs. 60,000 until 2002).

Fact 3. Minimum contribution of Rs 500 per year mandatory

As mentioned in our previous post, you need to be contributing at least Rs. 500 every year to keep your account active. This does not mean that if you stop your yearly contributions, the account would freeze and stop accruing interest. You will always earn interest on the funds in your PPF account annually whether you contribute every year or not. However liquidity options like loan and partial withdrawals will be suspended until you regularize your account first. Regularization costs a penalty of only Rs. 50 per non-contributing year, in addition to minimum Rs. 500 deposit for each year missed. Also, any subsequent deposits into a inactive PPF account would require you to regularize the account first by paying the necessary fine.

Fact 4. The current interest paid is 8% compounded and paid annually
This is subject to change. Not too long ago (until 2000), the interest offered on PPF accounts used to be 12%  and since then it has been gradually revised down to the current 8%. There is no guarantee that the current 8% rate will stay forever.

Unlike a Fixed Deposit, PPF rates are not fixed throughout the tenure. That means, if PPF rates are reduced to 7% starting April 1st, 2012, your account will earn the current 8% interest until March 31st, 2011. Come April 1st, 2012, your PPF account will earn you 7% until the next revision. The interest credited before April 1st, will remain intact.

Fact 5. Your deposits enjoy tax deduction under section 80C

The entire amount deposited into PPF during the financial year is treated as a deductible under section 80C.

Fact 6. Only the person actually depositing the amount gets section 80C benefit

This means if your spouse deposits any amount into your PPF account, you will not be able to claim the deduction benefits under section 80C. Infact, your spouse will be able to (rightfully) claim section 80C deductions on his/her income! In practice, everyone knows that a couple’s finances are not so clearly demarcated, but nonetheless this is a rule you should be aware of.

Fact 7. You cannot claim section 80C deductions for any amount deposited by you into your parents’ or siblings’ accounts

While tax laws allow you to claim 80C tax benefits for deposits into your spouses account, the same rule does not apply to your parents, siblings or relatives!

Fact 8. Interest is paid only on the funds deposited before 5th of every month

This is another one of those nonsensical PPF rules. You will discover many more like this as you read further.

So what this means is, if you deposit any amount in your PPF account after 5th of the month, your money will not earn any interest for the entire month. Interest although credited on annual basis, is calculated monthly based on the minimum balance between 5th and end of the month. If you find yourself investing in PPF anytime after 5th of the month, you would do better by delaying your investments for a month (if you can) so that the money would stand a chance of earning at least savings interest in your bank account. The best time to invest is between 1st and 5th of every month, better still if you can invest the whole Rs. 70,000 by April 5th .

Fact 9. Date of deposit is the cheque realization date and not the cheque presentation date!

If you are depositing a cheque or demand draft, then the date of deposit that will appear in your PPF account will be the date of cheque clearance and not the day you present the cheque. Combine this rule with the previous 5th-day-of-the-month rule and you have a situation where a whole month’s interest is at the mercy of your bank and the clerk doing your paper work. Even if you deposit the cheque on the 1st of the month but fails to clear by the 5th for whatever reasons, the previous rule will rob you of your whole month’s interest!

Fact 10. You get only 12 attempts per year to deposit into PPF

You can deposit funds in a lump-sum or deposit in installments. If you go the installment route, you only get a maximum of 12 installments per year. There is no 13th. That said, 12 is a fair number and should be enough for anybody.

Fact 11. No joint accounts allowed!

PPF is strictly an individual account and joint accounts are not possible. However you can always have one or more nominees for the funds in your account.

If you wish to create a PPF account for yourself and your spouse, then the recommended way is to open two different accounts individually and cross nominate each other. Although the funds will stay separate, as an added advantage, you get to benefit from tax-free interest on the combined limit of Rs. 1,40,000 per year.

Fact 12. Every account has to complete 15 years mandatorily

There is no option to prematurely close a PPF account before the mandatory period of 15 years, except in case of death of the account holder. You have an option to borrow or partially withdraw from your PPF account subject to some restrictions.

Fact 13. The full term of a PPF account can actually be 16 years depending on when you open it!

This is a consequence of one of the PPF rules which will leave you scratching your head. PPF works on financial year basis (April 1st – March 31st) and interest is credited only at the end of financial year. As per the rules, a PPF term extends 15 years from the “end of the financial year” in which you opened the account. This rule straightaway gives you an extension of 1 year, whichever way you look at it. So if you were to open a PPF account on the 1st of April 2010, the counting actually begins from the end of the year, i.e. 31st March 2011. So your account will mature on 31st March 2026 and not 31st march 2025!

When PPF was introduced in 1968, there were no computers and everything was maintained by an army of clerks by hand. All the rules framed back then were to simplify compliance work for the army of personnel managing PPF accounts. So all the PPF rules discussing time lengths began with a statement like “from the end of the financial year in which account was opened”. This supposedly made calculations easier, it seems , The practice still continues.

Fact 14. You can continue your PPF account even after 15 years if you chose to

You will have two options to choose from.

  • Continue for 5 years with subscripttion
    Here you will be allowed to invest up to 70,000 every year, just like a regular PPF account.
  • Continue for 5 years without further subscripttion
    You will not be able to invest any further, but the account will continue to earn interest at the prevailing rates.

You can exercise these options as many times as you wish.

Fact 15. NRI’s are not allowed to open PPF accounts

NRI’s (Non-Resident Indian) are not allowed to open new PPF accounts. If you were a resident at the time of opening your PPF account but subsequently became a NRI, you will be allowed to retain your account until maturity, after which it has to be mandatorily closed. The 5 year extension offer is not available to NRI’s.

Hi friends,

I m srry for my earlier post. I was wrong. 

I confirmed & max cont to PPF a/c inyour own name or on ur dependents name can b Rs. 70000 only. 80 C deduction will also be Rs. 70000.

Next time i'll b more carefull to post a reply.

Originally posted by : CA. Arpita Singhal

Rs. 70000/- limit is not in IT Act for deduction U/s 80 C.

As per PPF Rules the max contribution to PPF by an individual A/c is limited to 70000/-.

But you can claim total 100000 u/s 80 C by contributing to PPF. Rs. 70000 contribution in the your own name & balance 30000/- can be in son's name.

 

Hi friends,

I m srry for my earlier post. I was wrong. 

I confirmed & max cont to PPF a/c inyour own name or on ur dependents name can b Rs. 70000 only. 80 C deduction will also be Rs. 70000.

Next time i'll b more carefull to post a reply.


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