Please explain goodwill in partnership accounts

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I am not able to understand concept of goodwill, as explained in books, Please explain, what is goodwill, how it will be calculated and journalise in partnership accounts.. Thankyou
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Pari , Study in Institute Material Abt Goodwill dr prensented in crystal clear manner  to understand.... In short Goodwill is the REPUTATION OF THE FIRM.....xisting patners do all d hardwork to make the  profit bussiness so the new patner pay for their hardwork and sacrifice made by patners for losing dr profit and also outgoing patner also get goodwill for his hardwork of all d years n sacrifing.....They r so many methods to calculate goodwiill IT DEPENDS UPON THE PATNERSHIP DEED.....EXITING PATNERS A/C SHOULD BE CREDITED BCOZ DR R RECEIVING IT AND NEW PATNERS A/C SHOULD BE DEBITED.....   

Thankyou Raha, how the reputation of business will be put in rupees, and what is meant by premium of goodwill?

The term was originally used in accounting to express the intangible but quantifiable "prudent value" of an ongoing business....TO BE Fair i dunno abt premium of goodwill

Accounting treatment of goodwill at the time of admission of a partner is classified in four parts:

(1) When new partner pays amount of goodwill privately: In this case no entry will be passed in the books of the firm.

(2) When new partner brings his share of goodwill in Cash or kind. In this case the following entries are passed:

Cash / Bank/ Assets A/c Dr.

To New Partner’s Capital A/c (for amount of capital)

To Premium A/c (for amount of goodwill)

Premium A/c Dr.

To Old Partner’s Capital A/cs

  1. For amount of Capital + Goodwill brought in by new partner
  2. For amount of goodwill brought in by new partner credited to Old Partner’s Capital A/cs in their Sacrificing Ratio.
  3. When old partners withdraw the amount of goodwill.

Old Partner’s Capital A/c Dr.

To Cash/Bank A/c

3) When new partner does not bring his share of goodwill in cash.

In this case new partner’s share of goodwill is charged to his capital account and t/f to old partner’s capital accounts in their sacrificing ratio. Entries for this will be:

(i) For amount of capital brought in by new partner

Cash / Bank/ Assets A/c Dr.

To New Partner’s Capital A/c

(ii) For new partner’s share of goodwill credited to old partner’s capital accounts in their sacrificing ratio

New Partner’s Capital A/c Dr.

To Old Partner’s Capital A/cs

(iii) When old partners withdraw the amount of goodwill.

Old Partner’s Capital A/c Dr.

To Cash/Bank A/c

4) When new partner brings only a part of his share of goodwill in cash or kind.

In this case amount brought in by new partner as his share of goodwill t/f to old partner’s capital accounts in their sacrificing ratio and the amount that is not brought in by him is charged to his capital account and is also t/f to old partner’s capital accounts in their sacrificing ratio. Entries will be in following manner:

Cash / Bank/ Assets A/c Dr.

To New Partner’s Capital A/c (Amount of Capital)

To Premium A/c (Amount of Goodwill brought in by new partner)

Premium A/c Dr.

To Old Partner’s Capital A/cs

  1. For amount of Capital + Goodwill brought in by new partner
  2. For amount of goodwill brought in by new partner credited to old partner’s capital accounts in their sacrificing ratio.
  3. For amount of goodwill not brought in by new partner charged to his capital account and credited to old partner’s capital accounts in their sacrificing ratio.

New Partner’s Capital A/c Dr.

To Old Partner’s Capital A/cs...

 

Thankyou Sanket sir, now my confusion is cleared, but can you tell me, who will make the valuation of goodwill, either old partners or new partners.., is there any specific method to calculate amt of goodwill

Methods of Goodwill

 

1. Average Profits Method:

Under this metod goodwill is calculated on the basis of the average of some agreed number of past years. The average is then multiplied by the agreed number of years. This is the simplest and the most commonly used method of the valuation of goodwill.

Goodwill = Average Profits X Number of years of Puchase

Before calculating the average profits the following adjustments should be made in the profits of the firm:

a. Any abnormal profits shoulld be deducted from the net profits of that year.

b. Any abnormal loss should be added back to the nat profits of that year.

c. Non operating incomes eg. income from investments  etc should be deducted from the net profits of that year.

 

2. Super profits method:

Under this method Goodwill is calculated on the basis of Super Profits i.e. the excess of actual profits over the average profits. For examplle if the normal rate of return in a particular type of business is 20% and your investment in the business is Rs.10,00,000 then your normal profits should be Rs.2,00,000. But if you earned a net profit of Rs. 2,30,000 then Rs.2,30,000 - Rs.2,00,000= Rs.30,000 are your super profits. For calculating Goodwill Super Profits are multiplied by the number of years of purchase.

For calculating Goodwill:-

i) Normal Profits = Capital Invested X Normal rate of return/100

ii) Super Profits = Actual Profits - Normal Profits

iii) Goodwill = Super Profits x No. of years purchased

 

3. Capitalisation Method:

There are two ways of calculating Goodwill under this method:

(i) Capitalisation of Average Profits Method

(ii) Capitalisation of Super Profits Method

(i) Capitalisation of Average Profits Method:

Under this method we calculate the average profits and then assess the capital needed for earning such average profits on the basis of normal rate of return. Such capital is called capitalised value of average profits. The formula is:-

Capitalised Value of Average Profits = Average Profits X (100 / Normal Rate of Return)

Capital Employed = Assets - Liabilities

Goodwill = Capitalised Value of Average Profits - Capital Employed

(ii) Capitalisation of Super Profits:

Under this method first of all we calculate the Super Profits and then calculate the capital needed for earning such super profits on the basis of normal rate of return. This Capital is the value of our Goodwill . The formula is:-

 Goddwill = Super Profits X (100/ Normal Rate of Return)

Thanks a lot sir, sorry for troubling you..

You are welcome.... There is no troubling... Its ok..

Thankyou Sanket Sir, I too needed this.,
Originally posted by : Harini
Thankyou Sanket Sir, I too needed this.,


You are welcome too........

good notes mr Sankit

WHEN THE GOODWILL ALREADY APPEARS IN THE BALANCE SHEET AT THE TIME OF ADMISSION OF PARTNER THAN WE ARE REQUIRED IT TO WRITE IT OFF. THIS IS BECAUSE ONLY THE PURCHASED GOODWILL CAN BE SHOWN IN BALANCE SHEET. ONE CAN'T SHOW THE SELF GENERATED GOODWILL IN BALANCE SHEET. PURCHASE GOODWILL SIMPLY MEANS PAYING MORE FOR SOMETHING THAN ITS REAL VALUE FOR EG. IF ONE COMPANY PURCHASE THE BUSINESS OF ANOTHER COMPANY AND PURCHASING COMPANY TAKEOVER THE NET ASSET WORTHING RS. 50 LAKHS IN 60 LAKHS THAN THE ADDITONAL PAYMENT OF 10 LAKHS MADE BY THE PURCHASING COMPANY WILL BE TERMED AS PAYMENT FOR GOODWILL AND IT IS A KIND OF CAPITAL LOSS FOR ANY COMPANY AND ONLY SUCH TYPE OF PURCHASED GOODWILL CAN BE SHOWN IN BALNCE SHEET. AT THE TIME OF ADMISSION IF GOODWILL APPEARS IN THE BALANCE SHEET THAN IT MEANS THE CAPITAL LOSS EARNED BY OLD PARTNERS AND IF WE DO NOT WRITE IT OFF AT THE TIME OF ADMISSION THAN WHEN IT WILL WRITE IT OFF IN NEAR FUTURE THAN OLD PARTNER WILL ALSO HAVE TO BEAR SUCH CAPITAL LOSS WHICH HE DIDN'T EARNED . SIMILAR TRATMENT AT THE TIME OF RETIREMENT AND DEATH OF PARTNER. EVERY TIME WHENEVER THE PARTNER ADMIT OR DEATH OR RETIRES THAN WE HAVE TO MAKE THE GOODWILL ADJUSTMENT. THE ADJUSTMENT WILL BDONE IN THE FOLLWING MANNER TREATMENT 1 = RAISE THE NEW CALCULATED GOODWILL IN THE OLD PSR RATIO BETWEEN OLD PARNERS AND WRITE IT OFF IN THE NEW PSR RATIO AMONG ALL THE PARNERS ( INCLUDING ADMITTED PARTNER) TREATMENT 2 = STEP 1 : CALCULATE THE GOODWILL ( FOR FG. SUPPOSE THE CALCULATED GOODWILL IS RS. 5000 AND THERE ARE 2 PARTNERS SAY X AND Y PSR IS 1:1 ) STEP 2 : SUPPOSE NEW PARTNER SAY Z ADMIT HAVING I/3 SHARE . THE NECESSARY ADJUSMENT OF GOODWIL WILLBE DONE AS.............. X Y 2500 ( CREDIT) 2500( CREDIT) (5000*1/2) (5000*1/2) X Y Z 1666.66 ( DEBIT) 1666.66 ( DEBIT ) 1666.66 (DEBIT) (5000*1/3) (5000*1/3) (5000*1/3) 833.33 ( CREDIT) 833.33 ( CREDIT ) 1666.66 ( DEBIT ) AFTER DOING SUCH ADJUSTMENT PASS THE ENTRY AS ............................ Z'S CAPITAL A/C Dr. 1666.66 TO X' S CAPITAL A/C 833.33 TO Y'S CAPITAL A/C 833.33 SAME TREATMENT IS DONE AT THE TIME OF DEATH AND RETIREMENT IF U FURTHER HAVE ANY DOUBT THAN U ARE FREE TO ASK FROM ME. AND ALSO CONFIRM MY SOLUTION FROM SOME EXPERTS........................

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WHEN THE GOODWILL ALREADY APPEARS IN THE BALANCE SHEET AT THE TIME OF ADMISSION OF PARTNER THAN WE ARE REQUIRED IT TO WRITE IT OFF. THIS IS BECAUSE ONLY THE PURCHASED GOODWILL CAN BE SHOWN IN BALANCE SHEET. ONE CAN'T SHOW THE SELF GENERATED GOODWILL IN BALANCE SHEET. PURCHASE GOODWILL SIMPLY MEANS PAYING MORE FOR SOMETHING THAN ITS REAL VALUE FOR EG. IF ONE COMPANY PURCHASE THE BUSINESS OF ANOTHER COMPANY AND PURCHASING COMPANY TAKEOVER THE NET ASSET WORTHING RS. 50 LAKHS IN 60 LAKHS THAN THE ADDITONAL PAYMENT OF 10 LAKHS MADE BY THE PURCHASING COMPANY WILL BE TERMED AS PAYMENT FOR GOODWILL AND IT IS A KIND OF CAPITAL LOSS FOR ANY COMPANY AND ONLY SUCH TYPE OF PURCHASED GOODWILL CAN BE SHOWN IN BALNCE SHEET. AT THE TIME OF ADMISSION IF GOODWILL APPEARS IN THE BALANCE SHEET THAN IT MEANS THE CAPITAL LOSS EARNED BY OLD PARTNERS AND IF WE DO NOT WRITE IT OFF AT THE TIME OF ADMISSION THAN WHEN IT WILL WRITE IT OFF IN NEAR FUTURE THAN OLD PARTNER WILL ALSO HAVE TO BEAR SUCH CAPITAL LOSS WHICH HE DIDN'T EARNED . SIMILAR TRATMENT AT THE TIME OF RETIREMENT AND DEATH OF PARTNER. EVERY TIME WHENEVER THE PARTNER ADMIT OR DEATH OR RETIRES THAN WE HAVE TO MAKE THE GOODWILL ADJUSTMENT. THE ADJUSTMENT WILL BDONE IN THE FOLLWING MANNER TREATMENT 1 = RAISE THE NEW CALCULATED GOODWILL IN THE OLD PSR RATIO BETWEEN OLD PARNERS AND WRITE IT OFF IN THE NEW PSR RATIO AMONG ALL THE PARNERS ( INCLUDING ADMITTED PARTNER) TREATMENT 2 = STEP 1 : CALCULATE THE GOODWILL ( FOR FG. SUPPOSE THE CALCULATED GOODWILL IS RS. 5000 AND THERE ARE 2 PARTNERS SAY X AND Y PSR IS 1:1 ) STEP 2 : SUPPOSE NEW PARTNER SAY Z ADMIT HAVING I/3 SHARE . THE NECESSARY ADJUSMENT OF GOODWIL WILLBE DONE AS.............. X Y 2500 ( CREDIT) 2500( CREDIT) (5000*1/2) (5000*1/2) X Y Z 1666.66 ( DEBIT) 1666.66 ( DEBIT ) 1666.66 (DEBIT) (5000*1/3) (5000*1/3) (5000*1/3) 833.33 ( CREDIT) 833.33 ( CREDIT ) 1666.66 ( DEBIT ) AFTER DOING SUCH ADJUSTMENT PASS THE ENTRY AS ............................ Z'S CAPITAL A/C Dr. 1666.66 TO X' S CAPITAL A/C 833.33 TO Y'S CAPITAL A/C 833.33 SAME TREATMENT IS DONE AT THE TIME OF DEATH AND RETIREMENT IF U FURTHER HAVE ANY DOUBT THAN U ARE FREE TO ASK FROM ME. AND ALSO CONFIRM MY SOLUTION FROM SOME EXPERTS........................

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