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Online E-diary: its repercussions; students beware(detailed)

jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)

08 February 2010  

Please go through entire article and give it a serious thought.

First of all; let me tell that this article is not to launch a tirade against the icai ;rather it is to forewarn the article community about an attempt by Uttam Aggarwal;(his last brahmastra to hit the bull’s eye) to

i)to reduce bargaining power of students

ii) to target students who raised their voice against transfer ban

And the most important thing is that this rule is gonna hit the genuine students rather than the dummy articles as dummy articles’ CAs will surely cook up work schedules to save the students’ as well as their own skin.And the genuine ones like me will have to arrange for another showdown with the principal to calculate all these working hours,money,work done.My CA wont agree that he sent me to his wife’s tailor to bring her blouse,will he?Icai’s arguments of monitoring student’s progress in practical learning;and advise the student com timely guidance(I didn know that icai has guiding mechanism also; pehle jo sawaal hum email kartey hain;woh toh time  mein reply kiyaa karo) and also to ensure best practical exposure to students; are merely a hogwash; as icai itself is grappling with its staff’s unrest as most of their money has been embezelled by the president and his henchmen(staff allege corruption and demand CAG audit of icai funds:recent news;and sunil talati had alleged that in aug09 already). And ICAI’s argument of maintaining records is another crap from the mouth of upa as all our records are already recorded in the icai servers except the work diary (which most of us do not  maintains due to problems from or by our CA).

LEmme recount history about blasphemy from icai. Presidents come and go within one year(except upa; he is a bl**dy lusty person for power). They introduced CPT;PCC and later they took it off. CPT paper gets leaked; Online CPT exams get cancelled in one centre and the  other; results are moderated;one president throws mud at the other; goons visit icai office to beat staff at the behest of the CCM;etc. ICAI has been infamous of making HALFLY BAKED POLICIES, without weighing its pros and cons but it is the students who have been made to bear the brunt. Tranfer ban ho gayaa; and UPA swells like a young rooster as if  he has saved the world from 2012.

And now for the fundamental infrastructure for the implementation of the scheme: ICAI’s IT infra. I myself have seen the computer infra at icai offices ; it is pathetic. My ITT exams were postponed and my friend’s exams were postponed twice. Online exams have been postponed many a times. And what about www.icai.org. Even the directory showing the member’s data gets hung many times. IF this is the case of members(in whose interests ICAI works); what will the extent of sufferings that icai will force students us to endure. Results get postponed many times. Imagine what u will face due to lack of foresight by icai’s administrators;which now-a-days consists of politicians rather than CAs.

Maybe ICAI should have spent its funds to strengthen its IT infrastructure ; rather than putting glossy advertisement in newspaper about CPT,placements;putting up portraits of his highness Uttam Aggrwal; having cricket matches;paying money to Ramdev.What difference between UPA and a politician on grounds of nepotism?

Now for the procedural compliance by the students. First of all; many of us don’t have the access to internet; if we have we may not have time to do so. Students will try to comply but CA will pose problems if this scheme exposes them. For example; for November exams, a student demanded 4 months leave and he has already undergone articleship to be eligible for that. The CA who has his work pending in August,September refuses him for that much time. He says,”1 month is all u will get.Take it or leave it. Or else; I wont sign ur form.” CA will surely not expose that in the online diary. Suppose a student is getting the same type of work ie tikdaa marnaa; for 2 years;and will his CA try to write than only. CAs have coloured balance sheets of  many big cos (eg:satyam); khud ke faydey ki liye toh they will do anything. If he is making articles doing servant like work;works like that of peon; will he admit that?

And we have to upload every month. That means; we will have to haggle with our principal every month; and there are no prizes for guessing who will win.Students kaa kya aukat hai? And CAs usually don’t give their digital signatures to students. And CAs who want to spent the least on the articles;like they will force us to  travel on dingy govt. buses to the nearest town for audit and stay in some mice,snake infested  rooms during whole tour; eat cheap unhygienic food( a friend of mine had to visit a rural area for audit; they had to eat near a stinking toilet in a roadside dhaaba;while the client took the CA for food at local 4 star hotel).And do you think that CAs, who from first do not have digital signatures, will want to spend 4000rs a year on that?

A year ago, when Ved Jain sir was president; he had given an interview which is available in Youtube; he had said about growing stress on students. And how he has taken steps in bringing a gap of 1 day between exams. He told that the syllabus of the course can’t be compromised and the papers of 8 subjects can’t be curtailed and new things has to be daily added to our syllabus. Syllabus is uniform to all students; but is practical training uniform to all? Will ICAI after seeing a village lad’s diary put him in PWC because he has not got any new experience. And students have their own right to choose their field of expertise. I want to go into Project Finance; and my CA only has Income Tax job; of whose experience I don’t see much value when I apply for job in some investment banking;capital market;marketing;supply chain mgmt areas of corporate world.

Where now-days; icai has been taking backward steps. It seems Uttam Aggarwal must have extended his  term by some considerate time; that’s why he is again acting like God. In the recent newsletter; thankfully ; there is no utam photo at cover; but if u read his foreword; he says,”Sometimes we have to take harsh decisions.However, these harsh decisions are also taken keeping your overall interests in mind.Uncontrolled transfer hampers ur proper training and learning. It is advisable that u take complete interest in ur job. A long term relationship with the same firm provides consistency in the training. See he is saying as if He is the KAlki Avatarr in this Kali Yug. What use of long term relationship; if that that hampers our job prospects? We don’t want to take up a job at our principal’s office after completing CA? It is like saying,”AA baiilll mujhey marr.”We don’t want to return to hell, do we?” Nor do we are so desperate to open practice; that we are ready to marry his hideous daughter and receive his clients as dahejj.” We want to take whatever steps which will brighten our careers. This uttam aggarwal only wants to improve his votebank.

 

So; students who have been tortured at articleship; plzz don’t get fooled by golden promises by the president. Yeh sabb bolkey; picchley saal transfer ban kiyaa ki dummies ki ab lagney waali hain; ultaa genuine walein ki buchh lagii. Same thing is gonna happen this year again if E-working diary is implemented.

And yes; how did this escape my mind? Since one and half years; icai has been harping about Advanced ITT training. This was there in student’s newsletter when UPA was president; and now he is going to get RePLACED; and still the same line persists in his speech,”IF Central Government allows.”Give us a break, man;kisko bewakoof bana rahe ho.

What about the reduction in articleship of PCC students?

And main thing is that CAs may act like demons most of the times; but at the ending time of articleship ending; they tend to soften(not all ones ok). They may settle for money; yaa working for free after exams ,etc. They may tend to soften and NOT GIVE EXTENSION TO THE ARTICLE AND SIGN ARTICLESHIP COMPLETION. Many students who take 2 months leave for bcom.mcom exams each year; pcc,final ke liye 3 months lello;and dusre miscellaneous chhutii ginlo;IF U COUNT ALL THESE THERE IS BOUND TO BE EXTENTION. But after some sobbing and negotiating; many Ca sign the form without extension(because we have worked so hard for them) and if all this online e-diary comes; CA even if they want wont be able to show mercy on us.

LeT us form a  group and  discuss how to thwart this new scheme; or minimize its adverse effects on us.

Wahey guru ka khalsa;wahe guru ki fateh.

Jo bole so nihaal; sat sri akal.

This is now a khalsaa/jihad/dharmayudhh  for all CA students.We wont take this lying down.


 21 Replies

jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 08 February 2010

jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 08 February 2010

it seems students are very relaxed now. and they are waiting for a disaster to happen.

my sources say that new president is also not interested in revoking transfer rules and may relax rules. but for that he has to come to power.

CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECHA (Practising CA at Surat) (26248 Points)
Replied 10 February 2010

IF PROBLEM IS GENUINE ONE THEN REALLY STUDENTS ARE LACKING IN RAISING THEIR VOICE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WELL ORGANIZED IN THE GROUPS.   

 

EACH ONE THINKS THAT SOMEONE WILL DO FOR THEM.

 

BUT WHO IS HAVING THAT MUCH TIME WHILE  PURSUING CA ?

 

THE STUDENTS SHOULD HIRE THE SERVICES OF SUCH STUDENTS WHO HAVE LEFT CA PROFESSION DUE TO VARIOUS DIFFICULTIES FACED. 

 

 

ALL SUCH SIMILAR DIFFICULTIES ARE FACED BY THE STUDENTS WHICH I NARATTED IN ONE OF MY ARTICLE 'ONE SHOT SUCCESS IN CA.' SEE MY PROFILE FOR THE LINK.

CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECHA (Practising CA at Surat) (26248 Points)
Replied 10 February 2010

 

IF PROBLEM IS GENUINE ONE THEN REALLY STUDENTS ARE LACKING IN RAISING THEIR VOICE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WELL ORGANIZED IN THE GROUPS.   

EACH ONE THINKS THAT SOMEONE WILL DO FOR THEM.

BUT WHO IS HAVING THAT MUCH TIME WHILE  PURSUING CA ?

THE STUDENTS SHOULD HIRE THE SERVICES OF SUCH STUDENTS WHO HAVE LEFT CA PROFESSION DUE TO VARIOUS DIFFICULTIES FACED. 

ALL SUCH SIMILAR DIFFICULTIES ARE FACED BY THE STUDENTS WHICH I NARATTED IN ONE OF MY ARTICLE 'ONE SHOT SUCCESS IN CA.' SEE MY PROFILE FOR THE LINK.

Poonam (article) (312 Points)
Replied 10 February 2010

Hey jose 2morrow will b annual function of Icai. And hope from 2morrow onwards the new president will come into power.

jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 10 February 2010

thank u, sister.

that uttam agarwal is gonna stoop to any level to cling on to power

Krunal Raichura (Financial Advisory) (2134 Points)
Replied 10 February 2010

What Jose says is absolutely correct.

I have interacted with may members of ICAI, and i must say that state of icai is worst ever. There has never been so much of confusion regarding the CA course, curriculum, exam pattern, results, articleship etc in the past.

The compulsory ITT course point which Jose mentioned is true. ICAI banned private institutes all of a sudden in an unplanned manner. They should have first ensured that they have enough infrastrcture to ensure that all students can finish ITT on time. We have had thousands of students who went to ICAI, but could not be admitted to the course due to non-availability of seats.

Articleship rules again are a clear challenege to fundamental rights of students as citizens of this country. It is a factor that goes against increasing the brand value of CAs in market place because it limits opportunities for learning and thereby the knowledge of the student remains restricted to accounts, audit and taxation area.

koolleo87 (1268 Points)
Replied 11 February 2010

 

Keep up the aggressiveness Jose. You will certainly go a long long way in life. I should be taking a cue from you. If my CA has made me done such personal work, I would have either killed him or killed myself. 

As for Mr. UPA and ICAI, it is all a mess. The online Work diary thing will only add to the existing mess and clutter. However, UPA's words are important. They wont be checking each and every students diary. In fact, if we look into the detail, it will be nice. 

Imagine a CA who blackmails students about leave, etc. He himself will certify the work done by the students and then the diary will be uploaded periodically. In that case, some of the students who are blackmailed at the last minute for signing of exam form, etc will have a upper hand in this as the CA has himself uploaded work diaries ergarding leaves, etc on a monthly basis. But overall, this system wont make a significant change in either stopping dummy articleship. 

koolleo87 (1268 Points)
Replied 11 February 2010

In fact, I am of the view that articleship should be terminated once and for all and students should be allowed to have work experience in any field they desire to the extent of 2 years. This will broaden the reach and presence of CA's and many budding minds who have more aptitude in otehr areas can go for it. But this will not happen, atleast in the near future. 

jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 12 February 2010

Originally posted by : koolleo87

 

Keep up the aggressiveness Jose. You will certainly go a long long way in life. I should be taking a cue from you. If my CA has made me done such personal work, I would have either killed him or killed myself. 

As for Mr. UPA and ICAI, it is all a mess. The online Work diary thing will only add to the existing mess and clutter. However, UPA's words are important. They wont be checking each and every students diary. In fact, if we look into the detail, it will be nice. 

Imagine a CA who blackmails students about leave, etc. He himself will certify the work done by the students and then the diary will be uploaded periodically. In that case, some of the students who are blackmailed at the last minute for signing of exam form, etc will have a upper hand in this as the CA has himself uploaded work diaries ergarding leaves, etc on a monthly basis. But overall, this system wont make a significant change in either stopping dummy articleship. 

 

 I differ slightly fromu bro. For example;take my c-article's example. He had already worked for 2 years and his exam was in november. Sir said "give it in may. In november, i will give u only 1 month." I don't think in presence of form 106; the attitude of CA will change. ICAI never takes action against CA for students. Can we complain to Police commisioner against the bad conduct of a havaldar?It takes ages.

And the final thing that matters is the sign of CA.

And icai says that they will give advise on articleship.In my office; there is only work related to income tax; and that too filing ITR and TDS.With transfer being banned; i dunno how icai will tell my CA to improve my training experience?They are talking as if ICAI will have some works being assigned to my CA. hahahah

This is just double talking for fooling students.

 

koolleo87 (1268 Points)
Replied 12 February 2010

@ Jose..... You are right bro. Practically speaking, there is nothing stopping a CA from doing as he wishes. But still, we students get some bargaining power, if not all.... 

jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 13 February 2010

we need some bargaining power. Every other courses have student unions. CA has one which is dominated by CAs. If we have a genuine one; formed legally;then uttam ki maa kiiii.............icai can't do anything about that.

koolleo87 (1268 Points)
Replied 13 February 2010

Lolzzzz....

jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 14 February 2010

Tomorrow is monday; and beginnin of a new era. God please give sadbuddhi to Chopra sahib and his men; to

a)remove transfer ban altogether

b)reduce pcc articleship by 6 months to promote equality

c)to seriously study the ramifications of implementing e-diary without studying all it pros and cons; is it not another headache for articles; are rules for holidays not ambigous?

d)plzz upgrade syllabus


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