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Income tax - loss by trading in fo

24 July 2018

I have incurred a loss by trading in F&O (that is less than a year) and I run a business and wish to file under presumptive taxation 44ADA. When I was going through the ITR4 form on the income tax website I was unable to find any field that allows me to input these losses.

Please let me know where I can declare these losses. Can I consider these losses as Non Speculative and deduct it from my Business gains?

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Please see link for information

https://www.livemint.com/Home-Page/GvW3JB9PpYhvw6dvHEENjI/How-to-report-FO-trading-in-your-income-tax-return.H T M L

Dhirajlal Rambhia (SEO Sai Gr. Hosp.) (160663 Points)
Replied 24 July 2018

@ Ratan...... the link don't open..... check it......

@ Sonia..... F&O transactions are non-speculative business transactions....... & you can set-off the losses from your other business income u/h PGBP, but not directly against presumptive business receipts.

You will be required to file ITR3 with P&L account & BS.

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please put the .H T M L in last without any space

CA Shree Jain (Chartered Accountant) (1572 Points)
Replied 24 July 2018

Taxpayers who deal in derivatives, describe their experience with the tax filing process as vague and confusing. Here are some basics that can help.

A derivative means an instrument whose value is derived. It has no value of its own. Its price is based on the underlying asset. Derivatives of stocks and indices can be traded on Indian stock exchanges. The most popular form of derivatives are futures & options (F&O). A futures contract means an agreement to buy or sell on a future date. This contract expires on a pre-set date. On expiry, futures are executed by delivery of the underlying asset or via payment. Options and futures are alike but when you do an options contract, you can choose to not make the transaction.

Income from F&O deals is almost always treated as business income. This treatment is irrespective of the frequency or volume of your transactions. That may come as a surprise if you are salaried and have never run a business. Taxpayers who have business income have to file ITR-4.

As per Indian tax laws, incomes are reported under five heads—salary, house property, capital gains, business and profession and other sources (any residual income that cannot be classified in other heads). F&O trade is reported under the head ‘business’ in your tax return.

Reporting F&O trade as a business means:

*You can claim expenses from your business income

*As a result you may earn a profit or incur a loss

*Losses must be reported and losses have tax benefits

*Your total income (from all five heads) continues to be taxed at slab rates.

Businesses may be speculative or non-speculative, and the tax treatment is different. The income tax Act says that F&O trade is considered as a non-speculative business. Intra-day stock trades are treated as a speculative business.

Remember that cost indexation and capital gains exemptions are only allowed on sale of capital assets such as equity shares, mutual funds, land, house, and others. Since F&O trades are considered a business, tax rules of capital gains rules do not apply.

The first hurdle is to prepare your business’s profit and loss details. To calculate gross income from F&O trades, take your transaction statement for the whole year. Look at your receipts; these may be a positive or a negative value. Sum these up for the whole year. Expenses can be deducted from your gross income. Some expenses that you can deduct include rent or maintenance expenses of premises used for the business; mobile or telephone; internet charges; demat account charges; broker commission; depreciation on laptop used for trading; and any other expense directly related to your work.

Business income is calculated for the financial year for which you are filing your return. You will also have to prepare a balance sheet which is reported in ITR-4. It is basically a statement of your assets and liabilities.

Many people get confused when they have more than one type of dealing in the stock market. Some do intra-day stock transactions along with F&O trades. Some may hold stocks as long-term investments and also invest in mutual funds. In such a situation, you should calculate your business income from all of these separately. F&O trade income and intra-day stock trading will have separate expenses. Don’t worry if you have consolidated expenses; for example, you use the same premises to trade in both, or use a single phone. Simply bifurcate these expenses on a reasonable basis. You can allocate them using a ratio based on time spent.

If you invest in stocks for the longer run, you can treat them as capital assets. These will not be reported as business if you don’t trade in them often. There is an element of judgement involved and the main criteria is your intent. So, choose carefully. If you have some stocks that you trade often and some that you hold for longer, you can separate them into business and capital assets. Remember to choose on a fair basis and apply your choice consistently. You have to report gains from capital assets under the head ‘capital gains’, which has different tax rules. Mutual funds, too, may be treated as investments and taxed separately.

You will end up paying higher tax if you do not report your losses since losses have tax benefits and reduce your total taxable income. Losses from F&O can be set off from income from other heads (except salary income). Say, your loss from F&O business is Rs1 lakh, salary income is Rs5 lakh, income from rent is Rs2 lakh, and interest income is Rs50,000. Your total taxable income shall be Rs6.5 lakh.

If losses are not fully set off in the same year, you can carry them forward for 8 years. However, in the following 8 years, it can only be set off from non-speculative business income.

If you have F&O loss, you must get your accounts audited. Audit is also mandatory if your turnover exceeds Rs1 crore. If accounts are not audited, a minimum penalty of 0.5% of turnover may be levied (maximum Rs1.5 lakh)

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