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Yes sir, i agree with you. But, its not the fault of students only. ICAI has not left any choice with the students by its illogical rules and regulations. When a student takes decision to do dummy articleship he just think that if he is doing office work from 10 AM TO 7 PM then when he will complete his studies and coaching classes. No doubt one can clear ca all three levels in first attempt without coaching classes, but such students are very few, what about others average students? Second point is why to take the risk unnecessarily? Students have their family responsibilities and expectations that he should support his family as early as possible. In that situation a student can't take the risk about his life. He has to clear the exam first to get a job. Meanwhile, By seeing other's results the student gets tensed and join the classes to avoid the risk of failure in exam. Classes are helpful or not is a different issue, but it gives a mental satisfaction that a student has gone through the syllabus. Thats why students do dummy articleship and join classes. The system itself is like that average student can't think of doing studies with regular office and without coaching classes. The system should be like that the student himself feel of doing his articleship genuinely and not for the sake of formality. ICAI should change its articleship like CS institute. Do articleship after clearing your final exam. It will give 100% input from the students because they will do the articleship in their own interest and not for getting completion certificate. Thats what i think. Note: these are my personal views only. Sir, i am not opposing the view put forth by you but just i want to clear the position from the point of view of the students. Thanks a lot. Regards, Karan.

Originally posted by : Karan
	Yes sir, i agree with you. But, its not the fault of students only. ICAI has not left no choice with the students by its illogical rules and regulations. When a student takes decision to do dummy articleship he just think that if he is doing office work from 10 AM TO 7 PM then when will he complete his studies and coaching classes. No doubt one can clear ca all three levels in first attempt without coaching classes, but such students are very few, what about others? Second point is why to take the risk? By seeing other's results the student gets tensed and join the classes to avoid the risk of failure in exam. Classes are helpful or not is a different issue, but it gives a mental satisfaction that a student has gone through the syllabus. Thats why students do dummy articleship and join classes. The system itself is like that average student can't think of doing studies with regular office and without coaching classes. The system should be like that the student himself feel of doing his articleship genuinely and not for the sake of formality. ICAI should change its articleship like CS institute. Do articleship after clearing your final exam. It will give 100 input from the students because they will do the articleship in their own interest and not for getting completion certificate. Thats what i think. Note: these are my personal views only. Sir, i am not opposing the view put forth by you but just i want to clear the position from the point of view of the students. Thanks a lot. Regards, Karan.

Dear karan,

The ICAI never going to change its stringent rules just like cs course , that you must need to and brone in the mind. There is an average studen, who is not having money is able to attend any of such classes.

Did you know at least the 40% of the questions are ever repetitive.

The articled clerck work like donkeys during 10 AM to 7 Pm, with less pay and no time to study is the serious limiting factor for that.

You also agreed that the coaching will make the result or not is a different issue , is it just an offering to the temple?

Are you willing to do the articleship  of 3.5 years after completing the course.

the traing required for CS and CA is a difference of Ants and elephant!  because you are ever dealing with different type of work during your carrer phase and not like a CS professional

If you cleared the CA without training and coaching, you may be survived inshort term goala and not long term and at the time of employment or practise only understood the impact..

how can you handle the tensed and challenging work..

The day of just signing and collecting the money is over now

              Yes, in my point of view coaching institution is just working for recovering more and more money and they do not fulfilling thier duty .Dummy problem is also a big problem it reducing capability of new emerging CAs.

Dummy articleship is not the fault of only the students. The members of ICAI are more to be blamed for allowing dummy articleship.

Originally posted by : Sanjiv kumar shukla
	Yes, in my point of view coaching institution is just working for recovering more and more money and they do not fulfilling thier duty .Dummy problem is also a big problem it reducing capability of new emerging CAs.

Coaching institute is set up not with the intention of providing a good education system rather increasing the  wealth of them....

Dummy articleship, some of the member of ICAI and the students will be responsible.Why the member offering dummy articleship because of the huge demand which is created by the student. why the student had created this situation, because lack of time for their studies and less pay out the system...

My personal opinion is terminate the member of ICAI forever that is the first step towards this.Similar stringent action on student part also  need to taken...

Suspend the students pursuing the dummy articleship for a particular period....
 

Cannot justify the dummy articleship under what ever it may be....The ICAI had to raise towards in this direction...

This is one of the curse for a ca course...

Originally posted by : CA.vivek.m ACA
	Originally posted by : Sanjiv kumar shukla              Yes, in my point of view coaching institution is just working for recovering more and more money and they do not fulfilling thier duty .Dummy problem is also a big problem it reducing capability of new emerging CAs. Coaching institute is set up not with the intention of providing a good education system rather increasing the  wealth of them.... Dummy articleship, some of the member of ICAI and the students will be responsible.Why the member offering dummy articleship because of the huge demand which is created by the student. why the student had created this situation, because lack of time for their studies and less pay out the system... My personal opinion is terminate the member of ICAI forever that is the first step towards this.Similar stringent action on student part also  need to taken... Suspend the students pursuing the dummy articleship for a particular period....   Cannot justify the dummy articleship under what ever it may be....The ICAI had to raise towards in this direction... This is one of the curse for a ca course...

 

Yes sir, I agree with you. It is necessary to severely punish the members of ICAI who offer dummy articleship.

Now-a-days attending the coaching classes has become a fashion and students are relying more on other for their own studies. It is not a very healthy system of study. Asking for a guidance in case of doubt is one thing but depending on other for understanding the concepts rather than studying on our own is not preferable. 

 

It has been expressed that coaching classes are doing more than spoon-feeding. But there is no coaching class to teach how to be a good professional.

Originally posted by : Shubhankar Limaye
	Originally posted by : CA.vivek.m ACA   Originally posted by : Sanjiv kumar shukla              Yes, in my point of view coaching institution is just working for recovering more and more money and they do not fulfilling thier duty .Dummy problem is also a big problem it reducing capability of new emerging CAs. Coaching institute is set up not with the intention of providing a good education system rather increasing the  wealth of them.... Dummy articleship, some of the member of ICAI and the students will be responsible.Why the member offering dummy articleship because of the huge demand which is created by the student. why the student had created this situation, because lack of time for their studies and less pay out the system... My personal opinion is terminate the member of ICAI forever that is the first step towards this.Similar stringent action on student part also  need to taken... Suspend the students pursuing the dummy articleship for a particular period....   Cannot justify the dummy articleship under what ever it may be....The ICAI had to raise towards in this direction... This is one of the curse for a ca course...   Yes sir, I agree with you. It is necessary to severely punish the members of ICAI who offer dummy articleship. Now-a-days attending the coaching classes has become a fashion and students are relying more on other for their own studies. It is not a very healthy system of study. Asking for a guidance in case of doubt is one thing but depending on other for understanding the concepts rather than studying on our own is not preferable.    It has been expressed that coaching classes are doing more than spoon-feeding. But there is no coaching class to teach how to be a good professional.

Yes , The curse on the CA course is need to be removed..For this direction a proper  convincing is required....Why the students doing so....For qulaifying CA ...But what he will do after qualifying?without have correct training?

May be the articleship period of 3.5 year may be bit lengthier...If it is the reason, let  the institute have to reduce the period a  3 year..for the first 6 month , it is not much use for a principal after the 6 month only some input will generate by the students

The CA course will not decrase the quality under any circumstances...These two factors will eroide the standards of the course..

Who is responsible?

Answer is the principal who is offering Dummy course and the leading coaching classes is jointly and severly liable for this situation...

So students must understand and fact first, all the subject will never be require the cocahing and all the period the  dummy articleship is not warranted..

Let  the ICAI has to set forth some rules which strictly prohibhiting dummy articleship...ICAI had made rules towards cocahing timing is good and appreaciable but have to open the eyes towards this evils...Else in future , there may be job less CA will emerge....

This area more attention to be paid. unfortumatly least member were seen this