ICAI and MOU

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Disclaimer: All the presidents of ICAI have done some good work as well bungled off some(I can’t be sure of good work by Uttam Aggarwal). This is to expose and bring in to light some of the “timepass” scheme brought in by ICAI and in “jhaansa” of this some students have fallen victims.

 

A few years ago; ICAI made affiliations with 2 universities: IGNOU and NSOU. They said that “pass cpt,pcc and 3 years of articleship”;and pass 6 easy papers and get a “sub-standard” bcom degree. That was the case of IGNOU. NSOU ki toh baat hi chhodo. NSOU or Netaji Subash Chandra Bose Open University has been blacklisted by AICTE for non-recognition by DEC, a govt. body to regulate distance learning. That event happened over a year ago and ICAI hasn’t notified its students till now. That proves that they don’t care  a damn about students’ career; all they want is to ensure that the articles “serve” their swami well just like “ram-doot hanuman”.

IGNOU is the oldest and the most recognized correspondence in the nation(I can’t vouch for its value though) and even its system of granting degree to CA students in it is messy.

a)      The assignments which one has to submit before appearing for exams is not updated.

b)      The syllabus is outdated.(I think their syllabus hasn’t been changed since 1996)

c)       The results come late.

d)      No co-operation from IGNOU authorities.

e)      After clearing all pcc,articleship,itt,etc; the procedure to get degree is not even stated.Howzzat!

Passing CA may not be impossible but it isn’t easy either. Many students drop out of it. Just consider a person’s career who gave 4 years to this course , couldn’t clear it; and now doesn’t have a decent degree either. I don’t we can have a job with a bcom from ignou or with pcc. We can be a accountant with 2500pm salary at a dingy room in some building at the suburbs of a city.

And the ICAI has banned transfer; as well as rejecting form 112 of many students who have applied for LLB during night hours.

Each time they do some tie-ups with some funny institutions ; they pump their chests like a proud rooster/cock and splash their website with the “breaking” news as if they have achieved tie-up with Wharton School of Business.

Previously before the introduction of ipcc scheme; ignou used to make ads like “in 3 years do CA and get a bcom(a&f) from us”. Now with ipcc; agar koi pagal kutta bhi katey; koi bhi yeh bogus bcom join nahi karegaa. So now they have changed their ads,” Get Mcom within 1 year after you clear CA”. How dumb, isn’t it? If one has passed CA, why would anyone do mcom from ignou.

Waise bhi ignou takk chaltaa hai; heaven knows what kind of maharaja/neta/swami sort of colleges have they done tie-up with. There might be some money involved. Now we all can see how ICAI is serious about competing the value of CA with that of MBA from elite institutions.

See, the ones making all this big speeches at icai functions are already established in their careers. They have a flourishing practice; on income(black or white) they get elected to the council. “Most” of them use them to further their clientele; their sphere of influence; the thing that might come in their mind is to “deliver a tender of catering to GMCS students” to the son of their old,wafaadar servant.The last thing will be welfare for students; even if they have time to think about that.

What if the student doesn't want to continue doing CA; he can't take transfer? and his learning under a CA is limited or his CA is atyrant. will his bcom from annamali uni/bharathiar uni. give him a decent job. what about his last 3 years.

 

And if he hasn't completed 3 years of articleship; then no degree as well.

 

If anyone has joined this sort of programme; he will be compelled to fulfil his articleship. This was ICAI's conspiracy to make students majboor to complete his articleship.

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Good! hats off to such revolutionary planners

Hi Jose,

your thesis looks very closure to the situation these days, everyone knows about the politics and funds involved in the management of ICAI.

Even Finance Ministry doesn't care the rules of ICAI,

I would like to bring to the notice of students (As the members already know the fact), maximum of corporates don't apply even AS-1 and AS-2. utmost business houses don't even know about the so called accounting standard set by the ICAI.

ICAI should learn from the ICSI insitute... they have good influence in all the related ministries. These days they have good practice..

When I have picked CA journal 1 months back, and it was as expected, full of photo's of president getting honor degrees from different universities all over the world by expending money of students...

very good point raised by Mr. Jose.

Sir, rightly said ICSi is good in their plannings and they care about their students

AGREE WID U JOSE AND CA. Dashrath Maheshwari

Even Finance Ministry doesn't care the rules of ICAI,

 


the same issue was brought up by me some time ago....bt it waas discarded by sayings that ICAI is a regulator of auditing profession which has very less to do with finance ministry......!!!!

agree with you sir................

We need immediate split-up of ICAI into 2 parts: one for regulatory function and one exclusively for academic function. Even though i don't like UPA 's policies since 2004( i mean congress and their supporters; not that jacka$s uttam) ; i would wholehearetedly support Mr Khursid's proposal to split icai.

What say friends?

And Maheswari sir; ur comments are really good.

 

Originally posted by : CA. Dashrath Maheshwari
Hi Jose,
your thesis looks very closure to the situation these days, everyone knows about the politics and funds involved in the management of ICAI.
Even Finance Ministry doesn't care the rules of ICAI,
I would like to bring to the notice of students (As the members already know the fact), maximum of corporates don't apply even AS-1 and AS-2. utmost business houses don't even know about the so called accounting standard set by the ICAI.
ICAI should learn from the ICSI insitute... they have good influence in all the related ministries. These days they have good practice..
When I have picked CA journal 1 months back, and it was as expected, full of photo's of president getting honor degrees from different universities all over the world by expending money of students...

 Thats right.

Accounting Standards ki to **** kar di hai industry ne. Infact, one the leading broekage houses has published a report on these practices in India Inc...over 200-300 companies are covered in that report and every specific violation has been brough into limelight.

Not only that, there is also a book available on qualifications of audit reports of India companies.

I urge all ICAI lovers to see both these things, they would surely realise that what they read, listen and see is not the reality most of the times.

ICAI is spineless...it can only show power in front of kids.

u r 100% right Mr.Jose...

Originally posted by : jose
Disclaimer: All the presidents of ICAI have done some good work as well bungled off some(I can’t be sure of good work by Uttam Aggarwal). This is to expose and bring in to light some of the “timepass” scheme brought in by ICAI and in “jhaansa” of this some students have fallen victims.
 

A few years ago; ICAI made affiliations with 2 universities: IGNOU and NSOU. They said that “pass cpt,pcc and 3 years of articleship”;and pass 6 easy papers and get a “sub-standard” bcom degree. That was the case of IGNOU. NSOU ki toh baat hi chhodo. NSOU or Netaji Subash Chandra Bose Open University has been blacklisted by AICTE for non-recognition by DEC, a govt. body to regulate distance learning. That event happened over a year ago and ICAI hasn’t notified its students till now. That proves that they don’t care  a damn about students’ career; all they want is to ensure that the articles “serve” their swami well just like “ram-doot hanuman”.

IGNOU is the oldest and the most recognized correspondence in the nation(I can’t vouch for its value though) and even its system of granting degree to CA students in it is messy.
a)      The assignments which one has to submit before appearing for exams is not updated.
b)      The syllabus is outdated.(I think their syllabus hasn’t been changed since 1996)
c)       The results come late.
d)      No co-operation from IGNOU authorities.
e)      After clearing all pcc,articleship,itt,etc; the procedure to get degree is not even stated.Howzzat!
Passing CA may not be impossible but it isn’t easy either. Many students drop out of it. Just consider a person’s career who gave 4 years to this course , couldn’t clear it; and now doesn’t have a decent degree either. I don’t we can have a job with a bcom from ignou or with pcc. We can be a accountant with 2500pm salary at a dingy room in some building at the suburbs of a city.
And the ICAI has banned transfer; as well as rejecting form 112 of many students who have applied for LLB during night hours.
Each time they do some tie-ups with some funny institutions ; they pump their chests like a proud rooster/cock and splash their website with the “breaking” news as if they have achieved tie-up with Wharton School of Business.
Previously before the introduction of ipcc scheme; ignou used to make ads like “in 3 years do CA and get a bcom(a&f) from us”. Now with ipcc; agar koi pagal kutta bhi katey; koi bhi yeh bogus bcom join nahi karegaa. So now they have changed their ads,” Get Mcom within 1 year after you clear CA”. How dumb, isn’t it? If one has passed CA, why would anyone do mcom from ignou.
Waise bhi ignou takk chaltaa hai; heaven knows what kind of maharaja/neta/swami sort of colleges have they done tie-up with. There might be some money involved. Now we all can see how ICAI is serious about competing the value of CA with that of MBA from elite institutions.
See, the ones making all this big speeches at icai functions are already established in their careers. They have a flourishing practice; on income(black or white) they get elected to the council. “Most” of them use them to further their clientele; their sphere of influence; the thing that might come in their mind is to “deliver a tender of catering to GMCS students” to the son of their old,wafaadar servant.The last thing will be welfare for students; even if they have time to think about that.
What if the student doesn't want to continue doing CA; he can't take transfer? and his learning under a CA is limited or his CA is atyrant. will his bcom from annamali uni/bharathiar uni. give him a decent job. what about his last 3 years.
 
And if he hasn't completed 3 years of articleship; then no degree as well.
 
If anyone has joined this sort of programme; he will be compelled to fulfil his articleship. This was ICAI's conspiracy to make students majboor to complete his articleship.

THAT IS ALL ABOUT TRUE GUYS!!!

Mr. Jose has well interpreted all da things

Jose,

Your article was funny and filled with punch.Good going!

I support you wholeheartedly on the issue of split in ICAI but it should be trifurcated thus:

1. Regulatory and Redressal matters--matters regarding CA Act,Rules,Professional Ethics and stuff.With representation from members,Central government,Governing body of ICAI and an impartial Ombudsman

2. Member matters(including upgradation of ICAI worldwide,tie-ups with global Accounting bodies,allowing members to do other qualifications/courses,improving the quality of the Member's magazine,job opportunity,emphasis on the dwindling people takign up CA practice(and making it lucrative and attractive to enter into),etc)

3. Student matters(with no interference from Members,except for matters of articleship,removal of the draconian transfership ban on students(you dont kill a rat in home(dummy articles) with a nuclear warhead,it makes no sense!),increasing the standards of service to students,professional and updated study materials,doling out scholarships to needy students(in a more and better manner,especially with tie-ups with industrial houses/companies),decreasing the articleship period,elmination of confusion and streamlining of courses(and course names) and changing syllabus in a set and periodic fashion(excrpt ofcourse legal subjects which change according to amendment),eliminating red-tapism,stopping the practice of moderation of results(which seems to have even legal sanction),creating student wings and making it autonomous(not the current SICASA with no tooth),fast redressal of student issues,etc).If all this is not done,soon virally information will spread about the discontent students face with ICAI(Through internet these days) and many would avoid this esteemed course.

  • Accounting technician degree after completing CA Inter(bywhatever name called-PE2,IPCC,PCC,ABC,XYZ,etc) is a welcome step.
  • Granting a BCom degree by the ICAI itself(it can apply to the Central Govt/UGC for permission to grant an undergraduate degree--why go behind IGNOU or other Universities?) wherein students get it after performing well in just a couple of exams or so,incase they have not even completed Inter but completed CPT,ITT,Articleship,etc
  • Members must realize that the very same students who they torture now, will become CAs of future and many are wise to change the system.New,professional and young blood(or old-timers who have adapted to the current global scenario) is needed to run,implement,exercise control,make creative changes,etc.

Dhakka Laga Bhukka
Khayega Re Mukka
Ban Ja Re Ban Ja Mashal-E-Raah
O Yuva Yuva... O Yuva
Hum Albely Bade Manchaley
Dhum Jo Lagi To Chale Hum Chale
Chahee Phir Kaee
Yuhi Kisi Duniya Ki Kaamo Mein
Haath Milaye Na
Sang Chale Na

Ki Dum Mein Jo Dum Hai
Wo Apna Hi Dum Hai Kasam Se

Regards,

Mythreya

Originally posted by : Mythreya

Jose,

Your article was funny and filled with punch.Good going!

I support you wholeheartedly on the issue of split in ICAI but it should be trifurcated thus:

1. Regulatory and Redressal matters--matters regarding CA Act,Rules,Professional Ethics and stuff.With representation from members,Central government,Governing body of ICAI and an impartial Ombudsman

2. Member matters(including upgradation of ICAI worldwide,tie-ups with global Accounting bodies,allowing members to do other qualifications/courses,improving the quality of the Member's magazine,job opportunity,emphasis on the dwindling people takign up CA practice(and making it lucrative and attractive to enter into),etc)

3. Student matters(with no interference from Members,except for matters of articleship,removal of the draconian transfership ban on students(you dont kill a rat in home(dummy articles) with a nuclear warhead,it makes no sense!),increasing the standards of service to students,professional and updated study materials,doling out scholarships to needy students(in a more and better manner,especially with tie-ups with industrial houses/companies),decreasing the articleship period,elmination of confusion and streamlining of courses(and course names) and changing syllabus in a set and periodic fashion(excrpt ofcourse legal subjects which change according to amendment),eliminating red-tapism,stopping the practice of moderation of results(which seems to have even legal sanction),creating student wings and making it autonomous(not the current SICASA with no tooth),fast redressal of student issues,etc).If all this is not done,soon virally information will spread about the discontent students face with ICAI(Through internet these days) and many would avoid this esteemed course.


Accounting technician degree after completing CA Inter(bywhatever name called-PE2,IPCC,PCC,ABC,XYZ,etc) is a welcome step.

Granting a BCom degree by the ICAI itself(it can apply to the Central Govt/UGC for permission to grant an undergraduate degree--why go behind IGNOU or other Universities?) wherein students get it after performing well in just a couple of exams or so,incase they have not even completed Inter but completed CPT,ITT,Articleship,etc

Members must realize that the very same students who they torture now, will become CAs of future and many are wise to change the system.New,professional and young blood(or old-timers who have adapted to the current global scenario) is needed to run,implement,exercise control,make creative changes,etc.


Dhakka Laga Bhukka
Khayega Re Mukka
Ban Ja Re Ban Ja Mashal-E-Raah
O Yuva Yuva... O Yuva
Hum Albely Bade Manchaley
Dhum Jo Lagi To Chale Hum Chale
Chahee Phir Kaee
Yuhi Kisi Duniya Ki Kaamo Mein
Haath Milaye Na
Sang Chale Na

Ki Dum Mein Jo Dum Hai
Wo Apna Hi Dum Hai Kasam Se


Regards,

Mythreya

 Ya dropping a nuclear bomb in a town in Afghanistan doesn't necessary kill only the Taliban ; but also innocent Afghans.

In case of transfer ban; this wont affect dummy students at all;rather it will only harass genuine ones. Heavy collateral damage; in more technical term.

Why don't somebody post Amrjit Chopra's personal email id? Like the one he uses at his firm? Also his email id as president.


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