Convey your feelings to ICAI for the betterment

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I have sent the following letter by email to President and all ICAI council members. All students can also do the same and convey their feeling if they want to survive in the system for the betterment. 

   PL NOTE E MAIL IDs of ICAI: 'chairmanbos @ icai.org'; 'ajc @ icai.org'; 'radukia @ icai.org'; 'bdoshi @ in.kpmg.com'; 'jnshah @ icai.org'; 'manojfadnis @ icai.org'; 'ashu @ icai.org' 'gr @ icai.org'; 'murali @ icai.org'; 'sk @ icai.org'; 'agarwalsanjayasso @ icai.org'; 'anujgoyal @ icai.org'; 'cnanda @ icai.org'; 'ap.kar @ icai.org'

Dear Sir,

The recent trend of the CA final Exams results are not only very shocking but also speaks of the arbitrariness being followed in the evaluation of the papers. Having the exam standards unnecessarily tough, keeping the evaluation procedures conveniently opaque and ensuring only a token output exams after exams, a pertinent doubt being raised is whose cause are ICAI serving?

I really don't understand this concept of quality being made so loud and am rather even amused by it. The method being followed for achieving the so called “QUALITY” output is summarily wrong. Look at how IIMs and IITs achieve the same objective by conducting the toughest entrance tests with transparency. This method makes sure that students never face their career dilemma at the end of their career where SUDDENLY their QUALITY is questioned after 3- 4 years of their best efforts.

I am convinced that There is only the arbitrariness on the part of the ICAI at every point in time. My conviction has come from the facts

1)    Without planning while declaring the schedule of the NOV 2009 exams in July 2009 the options which were used to be there were removed arbitrarily just before ONE MONTH PRIOR to the exams. This was a policy decision which in a professional manner would have been taken at the time of declaring the exams itself. Is this a quality decision?

2)      Declaration of diluting on questions on AS 30-32 just 4 days in advance and then asking a 18 marks questions despite such announcement. This shows the coordination QUALITY of the paper setting and evaluation style. Who cared about the students in the process?

3)       And there are many more such events happening like the one of the NOV2009 and MAY 2010 results

 The affirmation of my conviction came with the QUALITY of the results of May-2010 Final exams results. If the ICAI is serious in setting quality parameters which should be uniform across the board, the question papers will have to be only on Objective basis and papers corrected only by computers, without any possibility of human bias.

What makes me worry is, as the passing percentage of CPT and the Final years students suggest, ICAI will continue with its fantasy of improving QUALITY without adopting the  correct course and make the careers of thousands of student miserable in the end.

 It is not enough to keep bragging that we have the best examination standards and procedures. If such procedures play with thousands of students' careers, it will be graceful to make the procedures better, transparent and hassle-free.

I would urge that the ICAI takes the nonsensical 'aggregate' pattern out of the system and adopt a fresh approach as being professionally done  by the premier institutes like IIMs/IITs which will not only save students ruining their careers after a lapse of their golden time of life but will PUT ICAI IN LINE WITH ONE OF THE REAL PREMIER INSTITUTE OF INDIA. Till such time these professional system is adopted ICAI must ensure that the careers of thousand of students who have spent heftily on their studies and with great aspiration in mind be given true and fair treatment in the exams as it is not their fault but the system fault adopted by ICAI.

 

I hope ICAI will understand the worry and will really do changes to make ICAI one among the premier Institute in real sense as is the case with IIMs/IITs of India.

 With best regards

 

ATUL DESAI

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Replies (24)

To,

The President,

Institute Of Chartered Accountants Of India,

New Delhi

Dear CA Amarjit Chopra,

At the outset we would like to appreciate you the way you published CA Final Results (Old & New Syllabus). We would like to inform you that by publishing this fantastic result you had just shattered the confidence and morale of every student. We would like to congratulate that institute with very big heart had made passing percentage to approx 3.7% in old syllabus and approx.6.7% in new syllabus which is the biggest achievement for institute. By publishing these wonderful results you had played with the confidence, efforts, feelings and emotions of every student, which is an achievement in itself for institute. 

By announcing this results what institute wants to prove? Can you let us know? Whether the remaining 12000 odd students are not capable to get 400 marks in both group or to get clear in minimum single group? Moreover, after giving notification on registered site about non inclusion of AS-30 application sums, instead you had given us questions regarding AS-30 in new syllabus for 13 marks. Can we know why this happen and who is responsible for giving out of syllabus questions? Had you given credit for the questions which were fraudulently given in our exams papers? Who will be held responsible for that? More over in paper no.4 of Group-I it was informed that SEBI Guidelines are out of syllabus and you again erroneously given questions from that part, for which institute should be held responsible and marks should be credited to students. Had you credited those valuable marks in the student marks? We don’t think so.

We would also like to appreciate the way institute is handling students/articles in past one and half years. You had taken steps for doing article ship, for not doing tuitions and other odds steps which you taken are highly appreciable. Had the institute taken any steps for the betterment of students? It is repeatedly told by institute that exams papers will be based on practical knowledge approach, which we don’t think it happened actually. With very heavy heart we would like to inform you that our servants are earning more than what we actually earning. Did institute taking any steps regarding the same? Can you let us know who the eminent, learned teachers are signing exams copy and what is there ratio? What is the time limit you provide every teachers to sign copies properly and revert it back to the institute? We don’t think that our papers are signed by learned man rather it is signed by peon or some uneducated people, because we don’t think we deserve this marks.

Moreover, it is repeatedly told by institute that Study materials provided are sufficient to have good knowledge and to get good marks? Had the institute taken any steps to revise the study materials and bring necessary changes? We don’t think so. So on what basis students are going to study and get good marks? Because the levels of questions given in study materials are much lower than actually asked in exams.  Who will be held responsible for the same? Did institute decided or taken decision that every odds to be borne by students only? We think it’s just name remains institute actually it became money earner professional body that is playing with student career, efforts, feelings & emotions. Moreover if there is less demand in the market, please stop taking examinations twice in a year. For God Sake don’t play with students life.

 PLEASE STOP THIS and do for what it is formed. Hope you will take necessary step for the betterment of future of student rather than ravishing the future.

Thanking You

Yours Truly

Article Student

Dear Anvesh & Aditya,

                                          I am extremely proud of both of you guys for the courage shown by you. You guys are representing the odd 90% of the students who couldn't make it through the finals.

But the thing is, will ICAI listen???? Has it? in so many years?? I seriously doubt that. Students have been suffering since the starting of the course knowing nothing about what the institute really wants!!!!!!!!!

If  they give a thought, they may take an action in the nest attempt. But what about this attempt? How will they justify the loss of thousands of students for their weird,insensical, malacious and obnoxious behaviour!!!!!

The problem is theirs no one their to listen to us. We are like gladiators  thrown in the arena with nothing but a small sword and asked to fight against hungry lions ultimately being eaten up.

Nobody cares about the losses suffered by the students. All they want is their image.

But still you took a brave step. Atleast you took out your frustration.

God bless You both.

 

 

 

Dear Anvesh/Aditya,

                                     Please do post the reply if any, send by the institute. I am curious to know what Institute has to say on this matter.

 

thanks

 

Thanx Anvesh/Aditya to write the feelings of me and other students. If possible we will take some further step to send this to ICAI president through our personal mail ids. In my knowledge we can send all this to ICAI President and the same we will forward to our friends so that they will acknowledge it and forward the same to the mail id available in ICAI site.  

 

Dear all please advise will this be useful?????

 

Then we can send it to the President of ICAI.

 

To,

The President,

Institute Of Chartered Accountants Of India,

New Delhi

Dear CA Amarjit Chopra,

At the outset we would like to appreciate you the way you published CA Final Results (Old & New Syllabus). We would like to inform you that by publishing this fantastic result you had just shattered the confidence and morale of every student. We would like to congratulate that institute with very big heart had made passing percentage to approx 3.7% in old syllabus and approx.6.7% in new syllabus which is the biggest achievement for institute. By publishing these wonderful results you had played with the confidence, efforts, feelings and emotions of every student, which is an achievement in itself for institute. 

By announcing this results what institute wants to prove? Can you let us know? Whether the remaining 12000 odd students are not capable to get 400 marks in both group or to get clear in minimum single group? Moreover, after giving notification on registered site about non inclusion of AS-30 application sums, instead you had given us questions regarding AS-30 in new syllabus for 13 marks. Can we know why this happen and who is responsible for giving out of syllabus questions? Had you given credit for the questions which were fraudulently given in our exams papers? Who will be held responsible for that? More over in paper no.4 of Group-I it was informed that SEBI Guidelines are out of syllabus and you again erroneously given questions from that part, for which institute should be held responsible and marks should be credited to students. Had you credited those valuable marks in the student marks? We don’t think so.

We would also like to appreciate the way institute is handling students/articles in past one and half years. You had taken steps for doing article ship, for not doing tuitions and other odds steps which you taken are highly appreciable. Had the institute taken any steps for the betterment of students? It is repeatedly told by institute that exams papers will be based on practical knowledge approach, which we don’t think it happened actually. With very heavy heart we would like to inform you that our servants are earning more than what we actually earning. Did institute taking any steps regarding the same? Can you let us know who the eminent, learned teachers are signing exams copy and what is there ratio? What is the time limit you provide every teachers to sign copies properly and revert it back to the institute? We don’t think that our papers are signed by learned man rather it is signed by peon or some uneducated people, because we don’t think we deserve this marks.

Moreover, it is repeatedly told by institute that Study materials provided are sufficient to have good knowledge and to get good marks? Had the institute taken any steps to revise the study materials and bring necessary changes? We don’t think so. So on what basis students are going to study and get good marks? Because the levels of questions given in study materials are much lower than actually asked in exams.  Who will be held responsible for the same? Did institute decided or taken decision that every odds to be borne by students only? We think it’s just name remains institute actually it became money earner professional body that is playing with student career, efforts, feelings & emotions. Moreover if there is less demand in the market, please stop taking examinations twice in a year. For God Sake don’t play with students life.

 PLEASE STOP THIS and do for what it is formed. Hope you will take necessary step for the betterment of future of student rather than ravishing the future.

Thanking You

Yours Truly

Article Student


i appreciate your feelings... i have the same feelings.. i think this message should reach institute... let us join hands and do the same.. otherwise the same thing will be repeated... 

posting comments here would serve no purpose... 

plz join hands to send this message to the institute so that they can realise what they have done...

Plz reply friends ... and help us to send this message to the institute

Thanks

Ankur Dugar

Friends,  your letter is really an eye opener to ICAI Bosses:: i AM ready to join in the mission you have taken and i am preparing a similar mai to PRESIDIENT AND VP OF ICAI

Your letter is not just a letter it is representing 99% of students mental state of affair

 

with best wishes

 

n ganeshan final old scheme

 

HATS OFF for you both for such a Bravery.

 i dont think ICAI going to do anything for our welfare .. recent news  regarding declaration by GUINESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORD " CA as the toughest Course "  has given ICAI more footage ............. Definitely the are going 2 maintain this position  for longer period ....... 

 

I salute both of them too be more darring

it requries more courage than preparing for the exams of icai..

i wil urge every student who is victim of institute to come and raise voice..pls u r not doing for anyone its fr ur dignity, effort and feelings which we should raise...

Hello all.

I wrote the following mail to the institute

"Dear Sir,
                  I am one of the thousand students who might have written a mail to you or the council members after the recent results. I know you might not even read the mail since you might be quite aggitated with the responses of the students, and i am no different. But as i am also extremly frustrated and finding myself  no where to go, i am writing this mail to you.
 
First of all i am shocked, surprised, and extremely shattered by the recent results. What does the institute want to prove!!! Sir, I always thought that my insititute is a great platform  and has been actively engaged in the betterment of the students. But, why is it that everytime it is ready to shatter the dreams of thousands of students!!!! 
 
Recently i came to know that it is in the institutes power to revise the results to maintain the passing percentage.
(Source:- https://www.icai.org/post.html?post_id=767 , 2nd point). It says that even a particular class of candidates results can be revised by the institute !!!!!!
 
This means even if we work hard till the last drop of our blood its still a matter of luck. No matter how better we study or how much knowledge we gain, if the institute finds that the passing percentage is more, it has got the power to reduce it. I mean is this called proffesionalism!!!!!!
Then you say that institute  wants to maintain the standards. What Picture are you presenting before us!!!! Do you think that after kowing this fact, i will be motivated enough to start allover again!! How on earth you expect me to study when  my result could be manupilated by the institute for mainting the passing percentage. I am feeling like i am a puppet in the Institutes hand.
 
You want us to be perfect in what we write. But looking at the results, even the first rank holder got a megre 471 marks. So ultimately even if he got 1st rank, he is not upto the institutes standards. So ultimatley the whole new batch of CA's are not that perfect. The results have been lower since May 2007. Before that, in Nov 06, the result was 38%. What happened suddenly?? Is it that the new batch of students are not good enough to give exams!!! I have serious doubts.
 
Sir, i have given 10 crucial years of my life to this course. Sacrificed my Job, entertainment, friends & family and all that i cared the most just to become a chartered accountant. And if this is what i get in return, i don't think i could do it anymore. Everytime we fail, everyone says that its your fault and you must work hard. Change your strategy of study, do this do that.....But after doing even more hardwork, if we get lesser marks than the previous attempt, what effect it will give on our confidence level!! This nobody understands.
 
I am 100% confident that i wrote  extremely good papers, but now i am extremely dejected, disatisfied and demoralised and unable to decide my carrier path. Becoming a CA was my ultimate dream.  But it takes a lot of heart  to accept the fact that my dream has been shatterd.
 
I know that their will be no effect on the institute on my writing this mail. I don't even expect you to reply. Nothing ever has happened after a tough result was declared. But I just wanted to take out my frustration.
 
I just request the institute to be a littile more considerate and don't play with the lives of students.
We all are very hardworking and always want to become a Proffesional CA. So please support us in a manner which is acceptable to everybody.
 
Sincere apologies if you feel offended by my mail.
 
CA Student
Still awaiting to become a CA"

Great courage Mr Bharat. Please post your letter as separate topic for other students to follow with email Ids where you have send this letter. Thanks 

Has any body expressed themselves to ICAI?


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