CA Inst should not be blamed for Result Postponment

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CA CS CIMA Prakash Somani (Landmark Group) (23512 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

 

No need to be sorry. you did wht yo feel good i did wht i feel good for me. No two fingers can be same. One thing which you have acDcepted "Any way i am of the thinking that i had gone beyond a limit criticising you"

Does it mean that you were critisising me and i did not realise this !! funny !! :) cheers :) and !! Keep the Flame Alive !!

Originally posted by :RAJ
" Dear CA CS Prakash Somani sir,
Honestly speaking i am a great admirer of you. I am a regular reader to your postings and other files in the CACLUB. Youre doing so much service to the CA students community and this fact cannot be objected or overuled by anyone. Your doings to the students are much more than what the institute is doing.
But in this exam result matter i am not fully satisfied with your view. Any way i am of the thinking that i had gone beyond a limit criticising you. I may be forgiven if any of my stand wounded you.
Your good deeds may be continued to the CA student community. Entreprenuer is for profit. But a leader is not for profit like you. Once again i say sorry if any of my views hurted you.
 

"

 


CA CS CIMA Prakash Somani (Landmark Group) (23512 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

 

Seriously speakign i did not get bets exmaple to cope up with anger then this one !! Thnx Adarsh for supportingf right cause. Everyone should remmebr that "Crtitics karna aasan baat he lekin critics ko sahanaa bahut mushkil he ...."

Originally posted by :Adarsh
" Dear Raj,

  I m gving u 1 situation... think n then answer...

u are offered to a post of director to handle one big unusual event like strick in a factory and workers r very much aggresive right now, and u even dont know wats da exact problem behind this strick... wat will u do? will u waste ur time in searching for the reason behind or u will go n convince the workers ? or u'll reject that post of director ?



remember... jab koi customer gusse se aata hai to uski problem pahle nahi poochhte, oose pahle thanda paani pilaate hain uske baad usse muskuraate huye baat karke matter resolve karte hain... yahi enterprenureship hai...



make SWOT analysis of urself...
"


 


CourseCart.in (Mentor at SHAYVIDZ Academy)   (3756 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

Originally posted by :RAJ
" Entreprenuer is for profit. But a leader is not for profit like you. "

 

No i dont think that enterprenuers just work for profit... Enterprenuership has very wide meaning... I didn't said BUSINESS ENTERPRENURE.. even business enterprenuer also no wors only for money... leadership is totally different..

Here, enterprenuership is facing n solving the problem... leadership just leads the community, even for the profit...

 


CourseCart.in (Mentor at SHAYVIDZ Academy)   (3756 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

Dear Prakash,

As a practing CA, our boss handles n face very well, many of our faults in front of Income Tax office in scrutiny cases.. even he doesn't know bout the faults n even most of faults can not be rectified later...


This is the enterprenuership...


I really appreciate u that u came n face the situation... n very very very well answered each n everyone's anger...


Nic to meet u dear....


tc


bye


m logging out...

:)


Krunal Raichura (Financial Advisory) (2134 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

Originally posted by :CA CS* Prakash Somani (A helping Hand)
"  

Agreed ICAI got enough time to declare results but wht if disaster happen at last moment. you are prepared fully still there are some intruders because of whom it happend. wht to do now. If something unexpected happens then whom to be blamed.
I agreed they should have been polite enough to let us know the reasons. They should understand our feelings. but my Q is dont they understand ??? Do you feel they dont nderstand our feelings. They are not doing any favour to us they are just judguin our efforts as they are in a position to judge.
Who gave him that suthority. we only !!
Everywhere there is politics even CA Inst is also not exception. The one who has power and networking wins. You have heard a lot people but did you heard from our Mr President !! Not yet !! The i want you to wait for their turn and then decide. Without knowing the cause if you blame somone is not right be it anyone!!
 

Mr Talati wrote "I dont think this person deserves any respect, and I have always learnt to respect those seniors who deserve it" I am no one to decide about it and i feel you are also not in the position. We have to wait till our President speaks. if he really has falt then i myself will write something which you have never expected from me. I am very profesinal when it comes to injustice with someone. i will not left any stone unturned to oppose that injustice.



Originally posted by :Krunal Raichura


"
ICAI got enough time to manage everything. They anyways have no work. They have failed in doing their job as an accounting body also. If this monopoly will go away, touch wood, ICAI will become an extinct race.
Even after so many days, if the ICAI cannot give results, its a matter of shame. Look at their announcements....they are so shameless. They cant even be humble and write something like - "We are sorry to inform, but due to ..... reaons we will not be able to declare results before..."
They behave as if they are doing all favors on us.
What has Uttam done for students or even members. I have attended so many conferences, I have met people who are ICAI members since last 30 years and I have heard from them that they have not seen such poor state of affairs at ICAI ever till date. In this regard I would like to draw your attention to the Open letter to President which our honourable past president Mr. Talati wrote to Uttam (I dont think this person deserves any respect, and I have always learnt to respect those seniors who deserve it). See https://www.caclubindia.com/forum/message_display.asp?group_id=43299
I dont think a meeting of professional body needs singers, jokers (In the recent days, Singers, Laughter Challenge people have been invited to ICAI meetings for enterataining their irresponsible presidents, vps and other members). 46 committes under ICAI, doing nothing but formed for the sole purpose of spending the students money in 5 star hotels, purchase of luxury cars have been formed. If anyone knows what these committees have done in the last 2-3 years, what value they have added to the profession, to the society....please post them here.
Note - These are not my views, but these are the facts, some which are mentioned in Talit Sir's letter, which can be viewed in the link mentioned above.
"




 
Professionals do have right to laugh and entertainment. Be it by any means which is acceptable. They spend a huge sum for this conference and i am too disappointed that why did they do this !! I dot see the clear reason so i would be quite on this point
Note : ultimate outcome of these facts will be in future after Mr President communicate the reasons. so wait till then ....
"


 

 

Dear Prakash,

I have been attending many conferences in the last few days. People from your fraternity, some of them who have been members of ICAI since last 3 decades are of the opinion that they have not seen such a bad state of affairs at ICAI since lifetime.

The letter of Mr. Talati is just a trailor of what is happening at ICAI and what is being done by people like Uttam and others out there. CPT fees is now increased to 6000. You can analyze this yourself, as to how much fees you paid for all three exams and how much we are paying for one today. For CPT, there are more than  a lakh students, 60 crores approx is generated from CPT itself. Why does ICAI need so much of money, what is it doing with it???? From all that I can see is, ICAI needs this money to invitie stars, singers to their meetings that too at a time when our profession is in such a bad shape that everyone in this world is asking us what we are gona do about Satyam and PWC matter.

ICAI has no corporate governance. There is no transparecny in anything. ICAI should circulate the minutes of its meetings of all 46 committes to all students and members. They should be recorded, and everyone should know what is happening. A time has come when certain members are contesting for council elections 6 times, is this a political party?

Why is board of studies chairman not changed since last 5 years? Even if he is there, why has curriculum changed so many times in the last 5 years?

Prakash, you tell me from your own experience, have you ever seen so much confusion among studnets with regards to issues of exams, curriculum, results, articleship etc?

Don't you think all these are signs of poor Corporate Governance?

Also would like to correct that  this sentence was written by me and not Mr. Talati as it is wrongly mentioned in your reply to my views. "I dont think this person deserves any respect, and I have always learnt to respect those seniors who deserve it"



CA CS CIMA Prakash Somani (Landmark Group) (23512 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

Thank you Adarsh too for such a nice descussion and also for your helping hand . Hoping to meet you soon !! I believe that "The one who look nice in everything is himself nice " and its very much true !!


RAJ (CS CPA ) (77 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

Originally posted by :Adarsh
" Dear Raj,

  I m gving u 1 situation... think n then answer...

u are offered to a post of director to handle one big unusual event like strick in a factory and workers r very much aggresive right now, and u even dont know wats da exact problem behind this strick... wat will u do? will u waste ur time in searching for the reason behind or u will go n convince the workers ? or u'll reject that post of director ?



remember... jab koi customer gusse se aata hai to uski problem pahle nahi poochhte, oose pahle thanda paani pilaate hain uske baad usse muskuraate huye baat karke matter resolve karte hain... yahi enterprenureship hai...



make SWOT analysis of urself...
"


 

Dear Adarsh,

How will you convince the workers without knowing the real cause or problem. Firstly i will pacify the workers and find out the real cause for the strike then i will convince them with my plan or suggestion. Without finding the reason if i say that the management is always correct then surely the problem of workers will never end and the situation will get more aggravate.


CMA KNVV Sri Vidya - Sri Kanth (C.A.Final (New) ICWAI FINAL (New))   (11269 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

 i agree with u sir 


CA CS CIMA Prakash Somani (Landmark Group) (23512 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

 

If whatever you are saying is based on facts then i am fully agree with you. Mr Talati did a good job to let us know about inside view of ICAI. It is not fair on the part of students to increase fees to Rs 6000.

I always support the PE-I Scheme and will do it until there is better scheme then PE-I.. you know in my scheme there was enough time for study as well as office. Now in this system you are completely blocked for 5 years. Not good at all. When i heard of this scheme i shocked to see the students response which was very obvious. CPT scheme is not meeting requirements of students so better to bring PE-I back for goodness of all students committee.

"ICAI should circulate the minutes of its meetings of all 46 committes to all students and members

 

" To all students is not possible instead put it on their website so that everyone from world can see it from anywhere. Politics is there in CA inst also as it is also governed by parliament act :)

 

I agree with you i did not see this type of confusion among students with regards to issues of exams, curriculum, results, articleship etc before . It is a sign of bad Corporate Governance.

God knows when this scheme would last on students head !!

Originally posted by :Krunal Raichura
"


Originally posted by :CA CS* Prakash Somani (A helping Hand)


"
 

Agreed ICAI got enough time to declare results but wht if disaster happen at last moment. you are prepared fully still there are some intruders because of whom it happend. wht to do now. If something unexpected happens then whom to be blamed.
I agreed they should have been polite enough to let us know the reasons. They should understand our feelings. but my Q is dont they understand ??? Do you feel they dont nderstand our feelings. They are not doing any favour to us they are just judguin our efforts as they are in a position to judge.
Who gave him that suthority. we only !!
Everywhere there is politics even CA Inst is also not exception. The one who has power and networking wins. You have heard a lot people but did you heard from our Mr President !! Not yet !! The i want you to wait for their turn and then decide. Without knowing the cause if you blame somone is not right be it anyone!!
 

Mr Talati wrote "I dont think this person deserves any respect, and I have always learnt to respect those seniors who deserve it" I am no one to decide about it and i feel you are also not in the position. We have to wait till our President speaks. if he really has falt then i myself will write something which you have never expected from me. I am very profesinal when it comes to injustice with someone. i will not left any stone unturned to oppose that injustice.



Originally posted by :Krunal Raichura


"
ICAI got enough time to manage everything. They anyways have no work. They have failed in doing their job as an accounting body also. If this monopoly will go away, touch wood, ICAI will become an extinct race.
Even after so many days, if the ICAI cannot give results, its a matter of shame. Look at their announcements....they are so shameless. They cant even be humble and write something like - "We are sorry to inform, but due to ..... reaons we will not be able to declare results before..."
They behave as if they are doing all favors on us.
What has Uttam done for students or even members. I have attended so many conferences, I have met people who are ICAI members since last 30 years and I have heard from them that they have not seen such poor state of affairs at ICAI ever till date. In this regard I would like to draw your attention to the Open letter to President which our honourable past president Mr. Talati wrote to Uttam (I dont think this person deserves any respect, and I have always learnt to respect those seniors who deserve it). See https://www.caclubindia.com/forum/message_display.asp?group_id=43299
I dont think a meeting of professional body needs singers, jokers (In the recent days, Singers, Laughter Challenge people have been invited to ICAI meetings for enterataining their irresponsible presidents, vps and other members). 46 committes under ICAI, doing nothing but formed for the sole purpose of spending the students money in 5 star hotels, purchase of luxury cars have been formed. If anyone knows what these committees have done in the last 2-3 years, what value they have added to the profession, to the society....please post them here.
Note - These are not my views, but these are the facts, some which are mentioned in Talit Sir's letter, which can be viewed in the link mentioned above.
"




 
Professionals do have right to laugh and entertainment. Be it by any means which is acceptable. They spend a huge sum for this conference and i am too disappointed that why did they do this !! I dot see the clear reason so i would be quite on this point
Note : ultimate outcome of these facts will be in future after Mr President communicate the reasons. so wait till then ....
"




 
 
Dear Prakash,
I have been attending many conferences in the last few days. People from your fraternity, some of them who have been members of ICAI since last 3 decades are of the opinion that they have not seen such a bad state of affairs at ICAI since lifetime.
The letter of Mr. Talati is just a trailor of what is happening at ICAI and what is being done by people like Uttam and others out there. CPT fees is now increased to 6000. You can analyze this yourself, as to how much fees you paid for all three exams and how much we are paying for one today. For CPT, there are more than  a lakh students, 60 crores approx is generated from CPT itself. Why does ICAI need so much of money, what is it doing with it???? From all that I can see is, ICAI needs this money to invitie stars, singers to their meetings that too at a time when our profession is in such a bad shape that everyone in this world is asking us what we are gona do about Satyam and PWC matter.
ICAI has no corporate governance. There is no transparecny in anything. ICAI should circulate the minutes of its meetings of all 46 committes to all students and members. They should be recorded, and everyone should know what is happening. A time has come when certain members are contesting for council elections 6 times, is this a political party?
Why is board of studies chairman not changed since last 5 years? Even if he is there, why has curriculum changed so many times in the last 5 years?
Prakash, you tell me from your own experience, have you ever seen so much confusion among studnets with regards to issues of exams, curriculum, results, articleship etc?
Don't you think all these are signs of poor Corporate Governance?
"


 


Saket (Article, CA- Final) (72 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

I absolutely diasgree wth Mr. Prakash Somani.

 

The absolute fault of the institute lies in the fact that they were unable to plan in a proper manner.

When they teach us planning they must have thought of all the pros and cons before deciding the date. making a public announcement and then failing on it shows utter disgrace and irresposibility



CA CS CIMA Prakash Somani (Landmark Group) (23512 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

 

Adarsh has not said tha managment is right he said you have to know the right cause and convince workers. Like i said earlier before doing anything you have to knwo the reaction of the same as "every action has equall and opposite reaction"

Originally posted by :RAJ
"


Originally posted by :Adarsh


"
Dear Raj,

  I m gving u 1 situation... think n then answer...

u are offered to a post of director to handle one big unusual event like strick in a factory and workers r very much aggresive right now, and u even dont know wats da exact problem behind this strick... wat will u do? will u waste ur time in searching for the reason behind or u will go n convince the workers ? or u'll reject that post of director ?



remember... jab koi customer gusse se aata hai to uski problem pahle nahi poochhte, oose pahle thanda paani pilaate hain uske baad usse muskuraate huye baat karke matter resolve karte hain... yahi enterprenureship hai...



make SWOT analysis of urself...
"




 
Dear Adarsh,
How will you convince the workers without knowing the real cause or problem. Firstly i will pacify the workers and find out the real cause for the strike then i will convince them with my plan or suggestion. Without finding the reason if i say that the management is always correct then surely the problem of workers will never end and the situation will get more aggravate.
"


 


CA CS CIMA Prakash Somani (Landmark Group) (23512 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

 

I am agreed with you on this point. You refer my words where i am objecting !! My motive is not to prove something like CA inst is good and al but i wnat you to go in right manner.. Refer story of dog and snake where dog saves the child from snake but childs father wothout thiking of anything else kill the dog and then realise that child is safe and snake is dead. So he lost his VAFADAAR dog as he acted in harsh manner !!

Originally posted by :Saket
" I absolutely diasgree wth Mr. Prakash Somani.
 
The absolute fault of the institute lies in the fact that they were unable to plan in a proper manner.
When they teach us planning they must have thought of all the pros and cons before deciding the date. making a public announcement and then failing on it shows utter disgrace and irresposibility
"


 


CA.Suresh (CFO) (89 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

 Yes, I agree with you .


Harish (CA Final) (56 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

Thanks to ICAI

 

atleast decleared exam result



MIRAJ M MEHTA (Chartered Accountant) (596 Points)
Replied 01 September 2009

der would b sum problem for d delat of results,why we shud blame ICAI ???

"DONT BLAME,KEEP THE FLAME ALIVE" - as it is ur words

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