Gud msg........Life is all about inventing youself

but...i couldn't understand  meaning of d doha....

Nice message to start d day.......

Thanx Bro 4 Sharing............

It really is a beautiful thought Eklavya ji.....thanks

Thanx 4 sharing, really a msg !!!!

nice post

Dear CA club members.

Do not get confused with  two  ca  in  the 3rd  line of the shloka. This shloka is for all -

"suni caiva sva-pake ca"

This may be read as under 

Shuni Chaiva Shwapaake Cha 

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Message in su-vichar is about equal vision for all, technically known as " samatvam" .

Thanks for "Suvichar" to Eklavya. 

You are True Inventor.

You have helped others selflessly, You listened to them when they needed your help.

Now they are turning their back when you need their help, when you wanted them to listen, they dont want to...

........how selfish & opportunistic they are..!

You did not do any wrong. Only mistake is you listened to others problems too much and gave too much importance to them....

Now They dont deserve your respect and care anymore....

Think only about you, your life..........! Love those who need your love.......! 

When someone helps others in anticipation,  he feels sorry when others do not respond. But when someone helps others selflessly he always enjoys. He never cares whether at the time of his need, anybody helps him or not.  The messaage in this "su-vichar" tells us that those who help or do not,  love all of them.

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Yes, sir, All human are equal, that is only Saabd Aarth, but Bhaav is all living, non living are equal, when you treat all equal then, pain and gain is equal, so no differentiation between them, same way expectation is equal to non-expectation. Maybe help is very subjective and is relative to peoples thought process, for someone getting free lunch is help, for someone it is just single coin, for someone it maybe more, for some it less.

Is not people allowing us to help itself is help ?? then where is the question of returning the help, as all help is process of return only.

So sir, for me am never selfless in doing help, because already they gave me what I wanted by allowing me to help.

Word Meaning of the Sloka is,

The person who finds no difference between, the learned Bhramin, Cow, Elephant, and Outcaste or dog or dog eater, is fully educated one in this world.

1. Bhramin represent a person knowing true and false (Socrates-teaching, and not real caste of bhramin)

2. Cow – Cow is considered as humble being, (In my view, cow's milk is not nectar, it belongs to calf thats it)

3. Elephant – The mighty one.

4. Outcaste – as you know India had the very bad history for SC and ST, they were not allowed beyond a point in society.

So, Bhagvat Gita says, a Person who finds no difference between a learned person, mighty person, a humble person, and an untouchable person , is really an educated person.

We at present, think so much about caste and religion, but way back when Bhagvatam happened our religion said, all is equal, but when will we understand this thing is beyond my imagination.

Marvellous thoughts which really shows the depth of your thinking.  

"Su-vi- 4" 

1. when you treat all equal then, pain and gain is equal

2. expectation is equal to non-expectation

3. help is very subjective and is relative to peoples thought process

4. Is not people allowing us to help itself is help ?? 

  for me am never selfless in doing help, because already they gave me what I wanted by allowing me to help.

Wonderful..... sharing .....

 CONCLUSION : 

I COULD UNDERSTOOD WHY NICKNAMES BECOME MORE POPULAR THAN THE NAMES. 

NAMES ARE GIVEN BUT NICKNAMES ARE CREATED BY OWN DEEDS.

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Is not people allowing us to help itself is help ??

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The most touching "words"

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Until a person "helps" other;

he will not get RESPECT from the society

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when he gets RESPECT from the society;

it means the whole society acknolwedges his "deeds" in RETURN

despite the recipient may not RETURN ( even Thanks) at all.

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Originally posted by : CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECHA
	Is not people allowing us to help itself is help ?? . The most touching "words" . Until a person "helps" other; he will not get RESPECT from the society and when he gets RESPECT from the society; it means the whole society acknolwedges his "deeds" in RETURN despite the recipient may not RETURN ( even Thanks) at all. .

Sir i ve a doubt,  

SAY, IF I FORCED TO HELP (DO SOME THING THAT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY BUT  USEFUL)TO SOME ONE, WHO SAYS THAT THEY DONT NEED THE HELP, EVEN THEN I DID SOME HELP, LATER ON I AM SAYING TO WHOLE WORLD THAT  " I HELPED TO THEM DUE TO THEIR NECESITY:", WHERE THE PERSON WHO RECEIVED THE HELP CLAIMS HE DINT ASKED HELP.

Is this could be called as a help or FORCED HELP? Will such help brings any respect ? Doesn't it means hurting self respect of those who got help ?

Disclaimer

The doubt i asked is just to clarify with Rakecha sir and experienced elders. Not intended to hurt any member in CCI.

Originally posted by : Bhaavna
	Originally posted by : CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECHA Is not people allowing us to help itself is help ?? The most touching "words" Until a person "helps" other; he will not get RESPECT from the society and when he gets RESPECT from the society; it means the whole society acknolwedges his "deeds" in RETURN despite the recipient may not RETURN ( even Thanks) at all. . Sir i ve a doubt,   SAY, IF I FORCED TO HELP (DO SOME THING THAT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY BUT  USEFUL)TO SOME ONE, WHO SAYS THAT THEY DONT NEED THE HELP, EVEN THEN I DID SOME HELP, LATER ON I AM SAYING TO WHOLE WORLD THAT  " I HELPED TO THEM DUE TO THEIR NECESITY:", WHERE THE PERSON WHO RECEIVED THE HELP CLAIMS HE DINT ASKED HELP. Is this could be called as a help or FORCED HELP? Will such help brings any respect ? Doesn't it means hurting self respect of those who got help ? Disclaimer The doubt i asked is just to clarify with Rakecha sir and experienced elders. Not intended to hurt any member in CCI.  (Reproduced intentionally)

Many times people don't allow others to help either because of self respect or ego.

Still you help them means you are bound either because of your good habits or decide (determine) to help looking to the circumstances.

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Please read my post again very carefully.

A person helping other should not expect even thanks from him. 

Hence a claim which is made later on; is not ethically tenable especially when he denies for it.

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Let this work be decided by the SOCIETY who will ACKNOWLEDGE it without your expectations.

And very interestingly;

the society will analyxe his words and will come to know that despite he denied for help; you helped him.

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Now I am asking one question to you:

At what point you feel happy :

1. When you help others

or

2. When you get recognition from the society?

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DON'T COUNT YOUR GOOD DEEDS;

FOCUS ON YOUR WRONGS TO CONVERT THEM INTO GOOD ONE.

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Can you say what wrong one is doing after helping other?

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And finally; what if when you did something wrong (claiming credit) and

other denies for it (that you did "something" wrong)?

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To make it clear; when it is established that he denied for help and you did that "mistake" despite that; the society (your friends etc.) will forego your mistake and will appreciate your deed ultimately.

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The true action is you must accept your mistake that yes; he denied for help. And don't say any word thenafter.  Accept this mistake now!

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NEVER MAKE SMALL ISSUES BIG.

BIG IS WHAT YOU HAVE NOT EVEN IMAGINED SO FAR.

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Repeating the disclaimer....as you mentioned...in your post..."Not intended to hurt....CCI"