Section 44AD

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A partnership firm is having business loss of 1 lakh and turnover below 1 crore. Is Audit mandatory? Its the first time firm Filing returns.
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- Audit not applicable and it will be file with Books of Accounts as per sec 44AA...
- Sec 44ad not applicable as per Your query.
Sir, 44ADA has specific provision which require audit only if Total income exceeds basic exemption limit. However 44AD lacks such explicit provisions except 44AD(4) for assesses opting out 44AD.... Plz share ur views on this.
44ad and 44ADA can't avail if loss...

Thanks 

Dear Rajesh,

In regards to your query, please refer the following explanation:

In the case of Business losses

Here, we have taken scenarios where a person has incurred losses in his business and wants to compute whether tax audit is applicable in their case or not, please check the explanation in the table below:

S. No.

Scenarios

Applicability of Tax Audit

1

  • Business loss
  • Not opting in the presumptive scheme

Total Annual sales, turnover or gross receipts exceed Rs 1 crore

2

  • Business loss
  • Not opting in the presumptive scheme
  • Total income exceeds the basic threshold limit

Total Annual sales, turnover or gross receipts exceed Rs 1 crore

3

  • Business loss
  • Opting in the presumptive scheme
  • Total income below the basic threshold limit

Tax audit not applicable

4

  • Business loss
  • Opting in the presumptive scheme 
  • Total income exceeds the basic threshold limit

 

  • Declares income to be Lower than profit or gain so deemed to be profit or gain under the relevant section.
  • Tax Audit is applicable

According to your query, you fall under scenario 1 or 2, and hence, no Tax Audit is applicable in the given case.

In case of further queries, please do let us know.

If loss then can't be avail Presumptive scheme...
Raja Sir where in the 44AD it is mentioned that loss cases can't avail presumptive scheme? plz explain
Dear Mr Rajesh kumar.,

It's not mentioned directly in that sec. As per presumptive scheme taxpayers must be file with 8% / 6% profit...

Dear Raja Sir,

Assumption: considering the situation of small businesses.

Suppose, I am filing my Income Tax Return in previous three years with opting Presumptive scheme, and to avoid preparing and reporting complete details of Profit or loss and balance sheet in the current year while filing ITR-3 (as I have incurred business loss in the current year) and I prefer to file voluntarily in the presumptive scheme and report my income from profit and gain from Business or Profession at 8% / 6% (as section 44AD says) even though the losses. So, in this case, I can still opt for a presumptive scheme and remain in the lock-in period of 5 years.

From the above, I can say that we can file u/s 44AD even though losses.

Please correct me If I am wrong here.

Assesee falling in 44AD(4) i.e opts out presumptive scheme has to comply 44AA and compulsorily Audit accounts provided total income is above basic exemption limit.
Originally posted by : Payal Gupta

Well done Dear,
 

Assumption: considering the situation of small businesses.

 

- First of sec 44AD usable for small businesses turn over upto 2Cr. But, It's not have any special exemption if lesser turn over. Want to file with profit of required limit.


 

Suppose, I am filing my Income Tax Return in previous three years with opting Presumptive scheme, and to avoid preparing and reporting complete details of Profit or loss and balance sheet in the current year while filing ITR-3 (as I have incurred business loss in the current year) and I prefer to file voluntarily in the presumptive scheme and report my income from profit and gain from Business or Profession at 8% / 6% (as section 44AD says) even though the losses. So, in this case, I can still opt for a presumptive scheme and remain in the lock-in period of 5 years.

From the above, I can say that we can file u/s 44AD even though losses.

-  No. In presumptive scheme Taxpayer will br shown Profit as per required limit
 

 

Please correct me If I am wrong here.

I can't understand this 

( Suppose, I am filing my Income Tax Return in previous three years with opting Presumptive scheme, and to avoid preparing and reporting complete details of Profit or loss and balance sheet in the current year while filing ITR-3 (as I have incurred business loss in the current year) and I prefer to file voluntarily in the presumptive scheme and report my income from profit and gain from Business or Profession at 8% / 6% (as section 44AD says) even though the losses. So, in this case, I can still opt for a presumptive scheme and remain in the lock-in period of 5 years. )

 

As per my assumption of above quotes :-

- Tax payer without complete 5 years as above and will opt out then Audit applicable...

- Taxpayer file his return with profit (as per sec) three years and now he will file with loss (under - presumptive) then also applicable audit. Can't be file with loss

 

Please give Your view and elaborate  above notes by You...

Dear Raja Sir,

 

Please consider my views against your replies; pointwise:

 

- First of sec 44AD usable for small businesses turn over up to 2Cr. But It's not have any special exemption if lesser turn over. Want to file with profit of required limit.

                                                                                 

Yes, Section 44AD is applicable to a person having turnover up to 2Crore, there is no doubt in it.

In my assumption, “considering the situation of small businesses”. Here, I am concerning with persons having business turnover which gives them negligible amount of tax.

Take an example (Disclaimer: just an example to create a circumstance):

Turnover: INR 31,26,000

Expenditure: INR 40,35,980

Business loss: INR 9,09,980

 

In this case, if I prefer to file Income Tax Return u/s 44AD and file ITR-4 and show

Net Profit: 8% of 31,26,000 = 2,50,080.

 

I think, in this case, Tax Audit is not applicable as I show profit in business instead of losses.

 

Taxpayer without complete 5 years as above and will opt out then Audit applicable...

Yes, Audit is applicable, but income should exceed basic exemption limit.

 

Taxpayer file his return with profit (as per sec) three years and now he will file with loss (under - presumptive) then also applicable audit. Can't be file with loss

For this, if I don’t show any losses in Income Tax Return and report income as per the limit 8% / 6%. Please refer my example given in first para.

I hope you understand the case.

 

 


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