Avoiding tax audit in case of day trading losses and stcg

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I am a Salaried employee ( 6 months in this financial year ). I have day Trading losses of 60000 with an annual turnover of 220000. Short term capital gains are also present.

I am writing here my understanding of taxation. Please correct me wherever i am wrong.

  1. Day Trading is a speculative business Income. Tax audit is necessary in my case as total turnover is 220000 ( < 2 crores ) and Net profit is -60000 ( < 6% of Total turnover ). Use of ITR 2 is not possible if i report my losses.

  2. ITR 4 is ruled out as I also have to report STCG ( Rs. 15000 ) under Schedule CG.

  3. To be fully compliant, I have to use ITR 3 and get the tax audit done.

I am not interested to carry forward the losses and my Primary objective is to avoid tax audit. Here i seek advise from all of you. I feel, I have following options.

  1. Use ITR 2, Report STCG and Salary income, Ignore day trading losses. ( Please remember i am not interested to carry them forward, I just want to avoid tax audit )

  2. Use ITR 4, Report STCG under the head of ‘income from other sources’ and Pay taxes on 6% of my business turnover of 220000.

  3. Use ITR 3, Report STCG and Salary under appropriate schedule. Though i have incurred loss from day trading ( Business ), I report profit of more than 6% of my annual turnover ( In this way i can avoid tax audit ) and pay required taxes. ( 6 % of 220000 = 13200, 20% ( Tax Slab ) of 13200 = 2640 which is gold when i compare it with Tax Audit hassles. )

  4. Club the turnover and net profit from ‘Day trading’ and ‘Short term equity investment’, Declare myself as a businessman ( I feel i can do that as i have worked only 6 months this FY ) and Take presumptive business income route by using ITR 4.

Please advice me on what path to follow in order to avoid ‘wrath of IT Department’ as well as ‘Tax Audit’. Any other suggestions except above are most welcome.

Thanks.

Replies (12)

file ITR-4  - preferably under option 3. Mixing trading transactions with capital transactions is not correct.

Sir, 

Altough i have incurred loss, I have to declare profit of more than 6% of turnover. Is it legal in case of ITR 3 ? Can Section 44AD be applied even in case of ITR 3 ?

As of now, I am more inclined towards using ITR 2 and ignoring all my speculative losses. What are my chances of receiving a notice.

Thanks.

file ITR 2 ignoring speculative losses. intra day trading of Rs 2 lacs will not be reported by your depository to government being small amount transaction hence chances of getting notice will be minimal.
Originally posted by : CA KANJ GOEL
file ITR 2 ignoring speculative losses. intra day trading of Rs 2 lacs will not be reported by your depository to government being small amount transaction hence chances of getting notice will be minimal.

he has a loss of 60K. So you can easily assume that the transaction value will be definitely much higher.

Originally posted by : Ranjan Ladani
Sir, 

Altough i have incurred loss, I have to declare profit of more than 6% of turnover. Is it legal in case of ITR 3 ? Can Section 44AD be applied even in case of ITR 3 ?

As of now, I am more inclined towards using ITR 2 and ignoring all my speculative losses. What are my chances of receiving a notice.

Thanks.

Yes it is legal.

 

I prefer not to tread in speculative waters - be it stocks or chances of receiving a notice. Proper disclosures in tax filings is always advisable.

@ Goel Sir : 2.2 Lacs is Business Turnover, Contract Turnover would be in crores. Losses are 60000. Will ITD ignore this transaction ?

@ Nikhil Sir : Thank you very much for your suggestions. If i file my profit under 44AD using ITR 3, Does it mean i have to file my business income ( Intraday + FnO ) atleast for next 5 years under this section only ?

Originally posted by : Ranjan Ladani
@ Goel Sir : 2.2 Lacs is Business Turnover, Contract Turnover would be in crores. Losses are 60000. Will ITD ignore this transaction ?

@ Nikhil Sir : Thank you very much for your suggestions. If i file my profit under 44AD using ITR 3, Does it mean i have to file my business income ( Intraday + FnO ) atleast for next 5 years under this section only ?

ITD actually looks at the gross value of the contracts.

and for second part of your question, yes it would mean so unless you exceed the audit limit turnover. 

@ Nikhil Sir :

To sum it up, Business income ( Day trading ) under section 44AD and STCG under 'Schedule CG' simultaneously using ITR 3 is the best, legal and most compliant way of filing my return. I should not be afraid of any ITD scrutiny. Right, Sir ?

Sir, What if i stop trading and Shift to ITR 2 next FY. Will i be debarred from using 44AD subsequent FY ?

at this moment, yes that should be the approach to follow

Last Question Sir , 

What if i stop trading and Shift to ITR 2 next FY. Will i be debarred from using 44AD subsequent FY or Ban is applicable when you are still filing your returns using ITR 3/ITR 4 but not under section 44AD ?

Thanks a lot for all your help.

Originally posted by : Ranjan Ladani
Last Question Sir , 

What if i stop trading and Shift to ITR 2 next FY. Will i be debarred from using 44AD subsequent FY or Ban is applicable when you are still filing your returns using ITR 3/ITR 4 but not under section 44AD ?

Thanks a lot for all your help.

 

No. If you stop trading, you wont be required to file ITR-3/ITR-4 anymore.  You can revert to ITR-1/ITR2.

Hello Nikhil Sir,

As suggested by you, I am filing Speculative business profit ( Equity Day trading , No F&O ) using ITR 3 although I have made speculative losses. I have already filled BS and P&L in ‘No Account Case’ but when it comes to BP, I feel i have following two options -

Case 1 -

Case 2 -

Please let me know the appropriate way to fill ‘Schedule BP’.

Thanks Nikhil Sir. You have been very helpful :) 


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