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Nitin Grover (CS) (1228 Points)
Replied 24 October 2009

Dear Sunil

you can get the details of Contract otherwise it will be so much difficult for Professionals to calculate the Tax who is earning from abroad also

if he is NR then amt is taxable only when if he is receiving in india but in this case he lives in india only

Income may be taxed in more then one jurosdiction because USA Govt will charge tax on it so payer will desuct tax and he have to pay tax in India also so SEc 90 n 91 is applicable and diff methood is here for calculation of tax

If smebody is doing this means not paying tax to govt then as per Indian Rules when govt will caught that person i.e in Scrutiny or by any other way then tax will charged upto 300% means 3 times there may may be FEMA is applicable so no body should try to evate tax or income

 

Thanks

Nitin Grover



Sunil (Trader) (2611 Points)
Replied 24 October 2009

That penalty of 300% is only for the Indian Tax and not for the USA tax. If he has wrongly issued W8BEN in USA (depending on how he opened bank account there) then he has trouble with USA Government. India Government has full jurisdiction for Indian Tax. Each Government is on its own for collection of his tax. If he opened his account giving an address of USA, he has problem with USA Government by wrongly issuing W8BEN as he has not allowed witholding tax even though they are entitled to it at 15%. Anyway each case is decided by its merits. If you wish to do business in contracting states at par with residents there and have a presence or PE, you have to follow laws of that state too. government of India allows you to open internationalaccounts in other countries as per FEMA subject to applicable restrictions. refer to FEMA for this.

As in this case, the assessee will not be violating Indian laws as he will file all his returns and comply with service tax etc. after reading these posts. But if he has done anything wrong with US Govt., that is their problem and they will have their means of enforcing their laws on him. I am only surprised at him issuing a form to his own Bank that is normally issued to his clients who pay him. Obviously he issued it based on paying to himself in India. everything is centered on his representations foropening bank A/C in USA. Whether he did it as a PE in USA or an international account of his India office. Government of India will not help him for his IRS liabilities. I do not know the US tax law. If you read DTAA then WT is 15% for US Govt. Indian Government taxes income for professional and technical services irrespective of whether foreigner has PE in India or not. Depends on whether US Tax Laws are more beneficial to assessees than the DTAA. However, if he made himself out as resident for opening bank account giving address there, then US Govt does tax non resident on basis of PE. They will have their mechanism to recover their WT.


Nitin Grover (CS) (1228 Points)
Replied 24 October 2009

when a person pays u from USA he will Deduct your TDS

like in India if any person is paying o/s from India then he is liable to deduct TDS otherwise the full expense is disallowed.

in the same case if Indian doesn't deduct tax then no foreignoe will pay tax so deduct of TDS is Compulsory

and in case of bank account he has opened bank account now he is not in this country and its not illegal and one more thing no body will tax to govt of another country whether he is earning from there but the payer will deduct your tax

 

Thanks

Nitin Grover


Sunil (Trader) (2611 Points)
Replied 24 October 2009

It all depends on how the bank account is opened in USA. If it is opened from India giving the indian address, then there is no violation.


Nitin Grover (CS) (1228 Points)
Replied 24 October 2009

Yes you are right dear




Sunil (Trader) (2611 Points)
Replied 24 October 2009

Usually you do not have to go to RBI for permission to open account in USA. Your Bank, the Authorised Dealer can open one for you abroad as per remittance limits allowed by RBI, but it has to be declared to RBI and you have to fill forms with your Bank.

For an account like this the W8BEN may have been correctly issued as he is making remittance to himself.

If your income is not taxable in USA on account of being non-resident, you issue W8BEN to payer. A resident payee in US issues the W8BEN only if he is claiming treaty benefits. In the case what we are discussing, US is entitled to 15% WT. That would be extinguishing his tax liability in USA and claiming relief in India.

If his payers have deducted USA WT then he has no problem. He only has to claim relief in India. Only for service tax in india, being resident he has to bring in his remittance and connect them with his recepient of services. He will have to provide his USA tax bank statements for payments received by him and he should immediately remit them to India so that he complies with condition of bringing remittance to India. The fact is the moment he rceives the payment himself in USA, he is liable to pay service tax unless the foreign exchange comes to India. The Service Tax exemption is centered around forex coming to India. He has to bring it and he cannot control the dates to his expediency. He has to follow laws here. I have attached the Form W8BEN. You can refer to IRS website for more if you are interested in studying his compliance with US Laws. While filling this form, he would normally sign as individual or as 'disregarded entity'. In USA proprietorship concerns and registered SINGLE OWNER LLCs are classified as disregarded entities (an entity disregarded as being separate from the individual for Tax Purposes).

PS: Resident Indian Can open an account in USA for convenience of collecting and clearing his checks in USA and transferring them to India. The US Banks do this for an initial deposit of $5000 to 10000 but you have to maintain minimum balance as per rules and they give you a VISA Debit card. To fund this initial deposit you will have to apply to your bank in India who has been given powers in the FEMA act to send your remittance for such opening of a/c. You will have to comply with procedures in India and you have to give this W8BEN in USA to the bank as you are not doing business from a PE in USA and your income is not deemed to accrue in USA. However for the Indo US Treaty, if any of your income is taxable in USA even without a PE, you have to file a return there and your income may suffer WT. If you are not taxable in USA and you suffered WT, you can file a return and claim refund. It is important that you follow rules at both jurisdiction. I have known Indian students who start a disregarded entity in USA and then open a proprietorship in India of same name. They really create complex problems for themselves usually by wrong beliefs. Therefore Ibrahimji has done nothing wrong and may not be in any violation. But that depends on his professional receipts in USA for his responsibility to comply with their laws especially since he opened account there. You should use non resident accounts in USA only if you are sure your income is not taxable in USA. Eg. is an exporter who supplies goods on principal to principal basis without presence in US. However Indian FEMA Act has to be complied with. You have the liberty to do many things these days but not freedom.A thin dividing line between the two.


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Priya Rao (student) (281 Points)
Replied 12 February 2010

Hi Sunil,
I came across your post in caclub regarding tax treatment for income from abroad.
I would appreciate if you could answer my query -

A resident Indian (ROR) resides in India and earns money from US employer (no other sources of income).
1. What is the ITR-form he has to file?
2. Also, what would his tax slab be for AY 2010-11.
3. What should he do to avoid double taxation?


Nitin Grover (CS) (1228 Points)
Replied 12 February 2010

Hi Priya

in ur query

1.  ITR No. 1

2. same as in case of indian men/women/senior citizen

3. u can take claim of tax paid in abroad n if we (india) dont have agreement then no claim n for avoid it u have to become NR for India then whole income is non taxable

 

 

Thanks

Nitin Grover


Sunil (Trader) (2611 Points)
Replied 26 February 2010

ITR 1 only if this is the income source alongwith interest (exempted or taxable). If there are capital gains, dividends (including exempted dividends) or any other income other than interest, then ITR 2. If the assessee induclges in speculation or has some business or professional income on the side, then ITR 4.


ANKIT AGARWAL (DEF) (580 Points)
Replied 03 November 2015

Exactly. Relief is available in order to protect you from two jurisdiction imposing tax on same Income i.e USA and India in your case.

 

For Resident Indian Global Income is taxable.




sheetal sharma (student) (91 Points)
Replied 03 November 2015

hey gud think ibrhaim...yes



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