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TRILOCHAN (SENIOR ACCOUNTANT) (698 Points)
Replied 28 July 2011

Dear  Ram,


As per income Tax amendment on TDS, Every body should disclose all transactions in TDS Return ( Just like payment to transporter with flag "T") with "Y Flag even if specified limit not crossed.

Thats why i am showing all transaction in TDS return.

Regards

Trilochan


Abhay Jain (Internal Auditor) (43 Points)
Replied 28 July 2011

thanks to tri


Tanvi (Practising CA) (223 Points)
Replied 28 July 2011

Mr.Trilochan....Can u plz share the link from where u got this amendment....Amendment of "disclosing  all transactions in TDS Return ( Just like payment to transporter with flag "T") with "Y Flag even if specified limit not crossed."

 

Thanks in Advance


CA ADITYA SHARMA (CA IN PRACTICE ) (16719 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

Originally posted by : J.Alamelu lakshmi

Ask the software ppl reg d prob .. i dunno nethin abt webtel.

CA ADITYA SHARMA (CA IN PRACTICE ) (16719 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

you r asking that  even if the payment of rs, 100 is made than deduct tds?????????????????????????????????????????????????

it is only a wrong practice. tds should be deducted after specified limits.



Pradip Shaw & Co (Practice) (227 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

Until & unless it exceeds Rs. 75000/-, no TDS liability will  arises. so no need to demand any PAN card . and no question of any TDS. When a person not covered u sec 194 C then how one can deduct 20 % TDS.

Software consider 20% automatically only when it will exceeds the limit.


TRILOCHAN (SENIOR ACCOUNTANT) (698 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

hanges at a Glance in the TDS E-filing utility provided by the NSDL Dated 01st Day of April, 2011

Following Version of File validation utility is applicable

1) Up to Assessment Year 2010-2011 (i.e. F.Y. 2009-2010) - FVU Version 2.130

2) From the Assessment Year 2011-2012 (i.e. From F.Y.2010-2011) – FVU Version 3.10

In the New Utility Version 3.10 (Applicable from the Assessment Year 2011-2012) Changes are as follows

 Deductor Information

1) Mobile no. responsible person is now mandatory for deductor category other than Central govt. and State Govt.

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Deductee Entries

1) Flag “Y” should be selected in the field of ‘Reason for non deduction/ lower deduction’ to highlight transactions where TDS is not deducted as the threshold for deducting tax has not exceeded.

 

2) If threshold flag is provided then rate of deduction should be ‘0.0000’ and tax deducted/ deposited (deductee) amount should be ‘0.00’.

 

3) Threshold flag is can be quoted only  against the following section codes in corresponding challan details:
193,194, 194A, 194B, 194BB, 194C, 194D, 194EE, 194G, 194H, 194I, 194J, 194LA i.e. Form No. 26Q

 

4) Example:

 

i) In case there is no deduction of tax in the first two quarters of a F.Y., where the prescribed rate of deduction as per Income Tax Rules is 10%, the deductor should report those transactions in the respective quarterly TDS statements with zero rate of deduction (‘0.0000’), zero tax deducted/ deposited (‘0.00’) and amount paid in the respective quarters with threshold flag.

 

ii) In the third quarter the threshold limit exceeds, the deductor will mention the prescribed rate of deduction, the amount paid in the third quarter, tax deducted/ deposited (deductee) on the total amount paid till that quarter. The same is represented as follows:

 

 PAN

Rate of deduction

Amount paid (Rs.)

Amount deducted (Rs.)

Amount deposited (Rs.)

Reason for non deduction /lower deduction

Q1

         

PAN1

0

1,00,000

0

0

Threshold flag Y present

Q2

 

 

 

 

 

PAN1

0

1,00,000

0

0

Threshold flag Y present

Q3

 

 

 

 

 

PAN1

30%

1,00,000

30,000

30,000

No flag present

Salary Detail

·    Provision to quote the deduction under section 80CCF in salary details (applicable for 24Q Q4).

·    Total deduction under chapter VI A to include:

i) Deduction under section 80CCE

ii) Deduction under section 80CCF

iii) Deduction under other sections of chapter VI A

  

FVU version of  e-TDS/TCS Regular statement  submitted

FVU version applicable for e-TDS/TCS Correction statement

FVU version 2.128

FVU version 3.10

FVU version 3.0

FVU version 3.10

FVU version 3.10

FVU version 3.10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Key features of File Validation Utility (FVI) version 2.130

1) 1) Applicable for quarterly e-TDS/TCS statement (regular and correction) upto F.Y. 2009-10

2) 2) Rupee symbol incorporated for amount fields in FVU statement statistic report.

3) 3) For validating e-TDS/TCS statement upto FY 2009-10 refer the table below:

 

FVU version of  e-TDS/TCS Regular statement submitted

FVU version applicable for e-TDS/TCS Correction statement

FVU version 2.126

FVU version 2.130

FVU version 2.128

FVU version 2.130

FVU version 2.129

FVU version 2.130

FVU version 2.130

FVU version 2.130

 

 

 

 


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TRILOCHAN (SENIOR ACCOUNTANT) (698 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

Dear Mr Aditya

 

Pls See the above amendment


CS Bijoy (Expert) (6394 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

As per the new amendment in case PAN no is not available than TDS will be Deduct @ 20% in all transaction where TDS is applicable.


Tanvi (Practising CA) (223 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

 

Key features of File Validation Utility (FVU) version 3.2

 

·         FVU 3.2 will be applicable for quarterly TDS/TCS statements pertaining to FY 2010-11 onwards and will be mandatory w.e.f April 01, 2011.

·         Mandatory to quote Mobile No. in quarterly TDS/TCS statements for deductor category other than Central govt. and State Govt.

·         Provision to quote the deduction under section 80CCF in salary details (applicable for 24Q Q4).

·         Total deduction under chapter VI A to include:

o   Deduction under section 80CCE

o   Deduction under section 80CCF

o   Deduction under other sections of chapter VI A

·         ‘Surcharge’ amount in salary details (provided annually in Annexure II -- 24Q Q4) should be less than or equal to ‘Total Taxable Income’.

·         ‘Education cess’ amount in salary details (provided annually in Annexure II -- 24Q Q4) should be less than or equal to ‘Total Taxable Income’.

·         ‘Net Income tax payable’ amount in salary details (provided annually in Annexure II -- 24Q Q4) should be less than or equal to ‘Total Taxable Income’.

·         Guidelines for reporting TDS transactions not exceeding / exceeding threshold limit in quarterly TDS statements (as issued by Directorate of Income Tax - Systems).

 

"Below guidelines may be referred, if deductor wishes to report the transaction in the quarterly TDS statement where no tax is deducted as threshold limit (as per the provisions of the Income tax Act) of amount paid/credited to deductee has not exceeded in the initial quarter (s) but has exceeded in subsequent quarter." 

1)    Flag “Y” may be selected in the field of ‘Reason for non deduction/ lower deduction/ higher deduction’ to highlight transactions where TDS is not deducted as the

threshold for deducting tax has not exceeded.

2)    Threshold flag can be quoted only  against the following section codes in corresponding challan details:
193, 194, 194A, 194B, 194BB, 194C, 194D, 194EE, 194G, 194H, 194I, 194J, 194LA

3)    Following approach may be referred for reporting threshold transactions in quarterly statements:

1.    In case there is no deduction of tax in the first two quarters of a F.Y. where the prescribed rate of deduction as per Income Tax Rules is 10%. In the third quarter the threshold limit exceeds.

Approach 1:

The deductor may report those transactions in the respective quarterly TDS statements with zero rate of deduction (‘0.0000’), zero tax deducted/ deposited (‘0.00’) and amount paid in the respective quarters with threshold flag. The deductor will mention the prescribed rate of deduction, the amount paid in the third quarter, tax deducted/ deposited (deductee) on the total amount paid till that quarter. The same is represented as follows:

Pertaining to quarter

Reporting Quarter

PAN

Rate of deduction

Date of payment*

Amount paid (Rs.)

Date of deduction

Amount deducted (Rs.)

Amount deposited (Rs.)

Reason for non deduction /lower deduction

Q1

Q1

PAN1

0

Q1

1,00,000

-

0

0

Threshold flag Y present

Q2

Q2

PAN1

0

Q2

1,00,000

-

0

0

Threshold flag Y present

Q3

Q3

PAN1

30

Q3

1,00,000

Q3

30,000.00

30,000.00

No flag present

*The deductor must report the actual date of payment irrespective of the manner of reporting

Approach 2:

 

The deductor may report all transactions in the quarter in which the threshold has exceeded, represented as follows:

 

Pertaining to quarter

Reporting Quarter

PAN

Rate of deduction

Date of payment*

Amount paid (Rs.)

Date of deduction

Amount deducted (Rs.)

Amount deposited (Rs.)

Reason for non deduction /lower deduction

Q1

Q3

PAN1

0.0000

Q1

1,00,000

-

0

0

Threshold flag Y present

Q2

Q3

PAN1

0.0000

Q2

1,00,000

-

0

0

Threshold flag Y present

Q3

Q3

PAN1

30.0000

Q3

1,00,000

Q3

30,000.00

30,000.00

No flag present

*The deductor must report the actual date of payment irrespective of the manner of reporting


Approach 3:

 

The deductor may report all transactions in the quarter in which the threshold has exceeded, represented as follows:

 

Pertaining to quarter

Reporting Quarter

PAN

Rate of deduction

Date of payment*

Amount paid (Rs.)

Date of deduction

Amount deducted (Rs.)

Amount deposited (Rs.)

Reason for non deduction /lower deduction

Q1

Q3

PAN1

10.0000

Q1

1,00,000

Q3

10,000.00

10,000.00

Threshold flag Y present

Q2

Q3

PAN1

10.0000

Q2

1,00,000

Q3

10,000.00

10,000.00

Threshold flag Y present

Q3

Q3

PAN1

10.0000

Q3

1,00,000

Q3

10,000.00

10,000.00

No flag present

*The deductor must report the actual date of payment irrespective of the manner of reporting

 

  • For validating e-TDS/TCS statement (regular and correction) for FY 2010-11 and onwards refer the table below:

 

FVU version of  e-TDS/TCS Regular statement  submitted

FVU version applicable for e-TDS/TCS Correction statement

FVU version 2.128

FVU version 3.2

FVU version 3.0

FVU version 3.2

FVU version 3.1

FVU version 3.2

FVU version 3.2

FVU version 3.2

 

 

 



Tanvi (Practising CA) (223 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

Mr.Trilochan you may visit this website.https://www.tin-nsdl.com/eTDSfvu.asp

And I hope now your query will get resolved.


TRILOCHAN (SENIOR ACCOUNTANT) (698 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

Ms.Tanvi

I know that, if the disclosure depends upon the deducter's wish. here i am the deducter and wish to disclose all the transactions below the specified limit of the sections. then what i will do.

Just  now i talk with the "WEBTEL " phone No. 45054000, they told that if PAN no not provided by the deductee, then rate is 20% even if the specific limit not crossed of the respective sections.


Pls confim it.


Tanvi (Practising CA) (223 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

Whether your transactions are crossed the limit in the subsequent quater...?

If no,then its not require to disclose the same....


TRILOCHAN (SENIOR ACCOUNTANT) (698 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

Yes , I am expecting the limit will be crossed in the subsequent quater.

thats why i am disclosing.



Tanvi (Practising CA) (223 Points)
Replied 29 July 2011

It is not MANDATORY...then why r u disclosing it.....and it is your expectation only...it is not Actualy Crossed....

Further its your wish..and I dont know about webtel so no comments for that.....

now m leaving this discussion..



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