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Learner

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Posted On 16 July 2010 at 13:10 Report Abuse

Hi,

Pls explain..

1> What is the difference between preliminary expenses and pre-operative expenses?

2> Accounting treatment for preoperative expenses?

3> Tax treatment for pre-operative expenses?


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sivaram
Asst Mgr-Finance

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Posted On 16 July 2010 at 14:02

before the commencement of commercial production all expense are termed as preoperative expenses which are pending allocation to fixed assets and once commercial production starts (supported by a certificate received from technical engineer-indicating date of commercial production ) and they will be capitalised in the ratio of Gross block of Assets

Preliminay expenses  are  something like a defered revenue expenditure where a whole expenditure incurred is not written off in that year but written off over a period of time say advertisement incurred on launch of a new product. since benefit accrues over a period of time

Tax treatment for preoperative expense since commercial production has not started all expense can be claimed as business expenditure





G.D. SINGLA
MANAGING DIRECTOR

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Posted On 16 July 2010 at 16:51

PRELIMINARY EXPENSES ARE THOSE EXP WHICH ARE INCURRED BEFORE THE FORMATION OF THE COMPANY. EXAMPLE COMPANY FORMATION EXPENSES INCLUDING FEES PAID TO PROFESSIONALS . WHEREAS THE PREOPERATIVE EXPENSES ARE THOSE EXPENSES WHICH ARE INCURRED BEFORE START OF COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS BY THE COMPANY.  

THE PREOPERATIVE EXPENSES ARE TREATED AS ADEFEERRED REVENUE EXPENDITURE AND AMORTISED OVER A PERIOD OF 5-7 YEARS.

THE TAX TREATMENT IS AS DONE FOR OTHER DEFERRED EXPENDITURE AND THE PROFIT & LOSS A/C IS DEBITED FOR THE APPORTIONED ANNUAL AMOUNT EVERY YEAR.

 




sivaram
Asst Mgr-Finance

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Posted On 17 July 2010 at 12:24

I am wrong in Preliminiary expenses definition as rightly pointed out by Mr G.D.Singla it is an expense incurred before formation of company and written off over a period of time just like deferred revenue expenditure




G RAMAKRISHNAN
CFO

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Posted On 24 August 2011 at 18:32

Preoperative expenses  incurred before commencement of commercial  production.

These expenses are capitalised in ratio  of Buildings &  Machineries .

 

When assets  are not owned by  company /  production is not  appllicable ( say EPC company )   no  preopearatve expense  is possible  and   all are writen off  whenever incured.

Initial   marketing  expenses during  product launching  etc falls under Deferred Revenue and Preopearative




yashsr
CA

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Posted On 07 June 2012 at 10:09

Case:

3 people(foreigners) want to set-up a pvt ltd company to start a micro-brewery in India. Before setting up the business and before incorporation of the company, they visit India and roam all over India for survey purpose. They incur air travel, road travel, hotels, restaurant expenses etc. Now, can they claim this expenditure once they incorporate the company? If yes, under which section in the Income Tax Act?

 

And whether these will be called:

 

1) Preliminary Exps

 

2) Pre-operative Exps

 

3) Pre-incorporation Exps




anoop
MBA (Finance), CA-PCC

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Posted On 08 June 2012 at 10:10

@ yash: As this is Feasibility study of where to set up the production unit. These expense will fall under preliminary expenses.



yashsr
CA

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Posted On 08 June 2012 at 10:19

Originally posted by : anoop
@ yash:

As this is Feasibility study of where to set up the production unit.
These expense will fall under preliminary expenses.
 


True but the problem is that Sec 35D of the Income Tax deals with Preliminary exps incurred after incorporation but before commencement. In my case, the Company is yet to be incorporated(which will be done in August 2012 but the exps were incurred in May and June 1st week)




anoop
MBA (Finance), CA-PCC

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Posted On 08 June 2012 at 10:28

@ yash: hey u cannot claim any deduction under Sec35D for this, as the deduction can be claimed by " an assessee, being an Indian company or a person (other than a company) who is resident in India" in ur case they are not indian resident so sec35D is not applicable.

u can see this link for more details: http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/incometaxact/s35d.htm




yashsr
CA

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Posted On 08 June 2012 at 10:31

Originally posted by : anoop

@ yash: hey u cannot claim any deduction under Sec35D for this, as the deduction can be claimed by " an assessee, being an Indian company or a person (other than a company) who is resident in India" in ur case they are not indian resident so sec35D is not applicable.

u can see this link for more details: http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/incometaxact/s35d.htm


Well even though the directors are foreigners, they're going to set-up an Indian Company(Pvt Ltd Company). Hence this shouldn't be a problem.



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