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My request to those 18% 2nd group passout students

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hi friends i am a ca final student..this was my 5th attempt,have already cleared 1st group and gave 2nd group this tym but failed...i was shocked to see that i got 34 in AMA & 42 in DT becoz i was expecting 50-60 marks in both the subjects,,

its very easy to say that marking was tough this tym but too hard to accept that i am not in the list of those 9389 students who passed group 2,atleast result wwas not 0% at all then what was the difference....where did i go wrong??what different did those students do??this ques comes to my mind again & again & i am not able to concentrate on my studies again...

I request all those students who passed to plz reveal their method of preparation & if someone has videos of VG sir classes can somebody give me that...i wud be so thankful to all of you...

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CA Goush Abdulla (Chartered Accountant) (81 Points)
Replied 21 July 2013

Hello Kirti, I to appeared in this May 13 examination with 2nd Group left and hopefully I cleared this time. My AMA and DT both the paper was good and I exactly gor the marks as i expected. There might be some mistake in ur solution or may not be meeting ICAI parameter don;t nervous just take a some rest and then concentrare your study. Remember "study should be pleasure and not a painfull exercise"

Bharti Jain (CA Final) (167 Points)
Replied 22 July 2013

I cleared group 2 in first attempt.Study Practice manual and RTP very nicely. and there is a caselaws book.Study that.
You will definately clear.

Costing you need to practice a lot.OR do it nicely because we think we know bt in exams we are not able to solve.

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Bharti i did practice manual & rtp's for costing but nothing helped...can u tell me which book did u follow for costing & or?

pawan gupta (article) (216 Points)
Replied 22 July 2013

Lucks.....also matter....! one could nt say what is the checking pattern of ICAI...bcoz nt all the pprs r checked by the same examiner & same method...!. its all abt luck

Bharti Jain (CA Final) (167 Points)
Replied 22 July 2013

I follwed costing practice manual.I had only 2.5 months study leave and so i covered only practice manual.

I also referred Vinod Gupta for DT .

For costing i relied on my classes notes.

You be confident and study.

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CA Vikas Agrawal (Practice) (363 Points)
Replied 22 July 2013

hi kirti

first of all to pass group 2 exam target idt paper to score 55+marks

ama:

for ama prepare OR very well specially cpm/pert take jksc notes practice it

for costing focus on small chapters like operating costing, budgetary control, pricing policy etc....for marginal just clear your logic and few past sums pratice will do.....pricing policy and pert cpm 100% comes in exam.......for theory just practice manual

isca:

for isca only practice maual is enough......my experience i took devang dalal book not for study but to use his phrases which hepls in doing byheart,,,,,,,,eg ,,,,,,,,,,,audit tools and techinques for disaster,,,,,,phrase aids testing......if only 5 questions click in exam than also it will have good impression on other answers so create your own phrases and use from that book

dt:

used prime vision notes but it is not enough so read tn manoharan for topics such as double taxation,,,mat.......aop/bop assess procedure.....which are short chapters in his book.......study capital gain and businees head and wealth tax from prime vision book....10 marks is sure from wealth tax nice topic ..........study case laws well and prepare its summary in full scape.......for remembering name create some link with case law

idt

first to understand concept read any book u find good......in this paper do study only exam paper oriented not chapter wise.....

first for 25 marks study practice maual and sums in bangar summary book

for case laws prepare summary in short by the way it come for 32 marks

now study service tax theory from amendment book issued by bangar

than excise theory.......from 20 marks of custom u have already prepared for 15 marks in form of sum and case law,,,,and one definition may be asked for 2-4 marks so dont study whole custom and waste ur time.....if ur sums clicked in exam than 60 is sure.......rtp also plays main role do that also

i hope it will be helpful to you

best of luck

thanking you

vikas agrawal

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Prakash Chand Tiwari (Student) (45 Points)
Replied 22 July 2013

Hi,

My strategy was two subjects 60 marks , AMA and IDT

AMA:I used to solve the question of PM on excel reduced my time + helped me how to arrange the data so as to make it presentable, calculation easy.

I had a tracker sheet were I used to note down the question no. & page no. of PM where my conceptual not was inappropriate.I used to sove all the illustration given in AMA SM.

RTP revised last 5 year, special attention to question which you have not encountered in SM & PM.

Because my foundation in costing was not strong & to clear PE II had to write costing several time,I solved the problems from Gurukripa.I helped me in againing confidence.

Always noted down new learing, as just solving similar problems won't be a help.

THEORY IS VIMP,DONOT IGNORE,READING ONLY WONT HELP WRITE DOWN COMPARE WHAT YOU WROTE TO THE SM OR PM.

IDT

30 Marks case law . For me in the earlier attempt presentation was issue.

So , I refered Prof. Rajesh Tayal, here is link for reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7QZZHstyV4.(Its not the first video on case laws, you can browse the channel where he provides intro.).I kept it short & simple .

25 Marks valuation, from PM & RTP last 5 year.

Rest of preparation was 2 or 3 marks questions from procedural areas, especial emphasis on amendments.

ISCA ( Really painful subject for me)

1) Reading of SM

2)PM & RPT

3) Write down the side points & few words against that side points which you can build upon.

DT , barely passed, so I cannot comment, one trend is that 4X4, case law based question can be prepared for.

Hope it helps.

All the Best!

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Thanks to all of u for giving ur valuable suggestions.

friends in DT sugg ans issued by ICAI what i have seen i the last 2-3 attempts is that not only the case laws issued in the case law booklet are asked but sometimes old case laws of eg 2003 or 2009 is also being quoted my ques is how can we remember such old case laws??

My 2nd ques is- in Q1(b) part i of may 2013 relating to wealth tax ,we had to ans whether land on which a residential complex consisting of flats are under construction is chargeable to weath tax or not,if we refer institute's sugg ans ,3 views have been taken& 3 case laws have been referred to & the ans is too lengthy,do we have to present our ans like this ? i want to know from u friends have u written ur ans like this? i feel if we go by this then we have to learn so many case laws whereas i follow only recent case laws for particular attempt issued by institute...

CA Saneh Kumar Patni (0) (53 Points)
Replied 23 July 2013

hi kirti if u want to self study than my suggestion to you is for AMA refer sanjay aggarwal book, for isca refer our study matt & mukesh saraf book, for DT refer vinod gupta matt and for idt refer bangar & bangar book....apart from these refer practice manual also for all subjects.....i hope this will help u a lot coz i have followed this and cleared my secong group this may......