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Is Murdering Of Goats On Bakri Eid a True Sacrifice ?

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*RENU SINGH * (✩ §m!ℓ!ñġ €ม€§ fℓม!ñġ ђ♪gђ✩ )   (21627 Points)
Replied 26 October 2012

@ veeral sir ...

it's too difficult to contact you ...as u have blocked PM and comments as well ....... 

 



CA Abdul Halim Siddiqui (Partner) (481 Points)
Replied 26 October 2012

Mr. Gandhi..thank for giving me the chance for clearing your doubt .By reading all the comment above and felt so sad that why are we muslim always targeted for killing of animal as Sikhs also kills animal at one stroke known as JHATKA in which complete head is removed (removing Spinal Cord also ) at one stroke . Anyways this has given me a chance you clear all your doubts :

First of all EID is on Saturday and not on friday as per govt rules . Though you might be enjoying your holiday ..right na!!

This is not a new debate at all. The Islamic method of slaughtering animals, known as Zabiha has been the object of much criticism from a large number of people always

Before I reply to the question, let me relate an incidence about a discussion between a Sikh and a Muslim regarding animal slaughter.

Once a Sikh asked a Muslim, “Why do you slaughter the animal painfully by cutting the throat instead of the way we do with one stroke i.e. jhatka?” The Muslim replied “We are brave and courageous and attack from the front. We are marad ka baccha (macho men), you are cowards and attack from behind”.

Jokes apart, one may consider the following points, which prove that the Zabiha method is not only humane but also scientifically the best:

1.   Islamic method of slaughtering animal:

Zakkaytum is a verb derived from the root word Zakah (to purify). Its infinitive is Tazkiyah which means purification. The Islamic mode of slaughtering an animal requires the following conditions to be met:

a. Animal should be slaughtered with sharp object (knife)

The animal has to be slaughtered with a sharp object (knife) and in a fast way so that the pain of slaughter is minimised.

b. Cut wind pipe, throat and vessels of neck

Zabiha is an Arabic word which means ‘slaughtered’. The ‘slaughtering’ is to be done by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord.

c. Blood should be drained

The blood has to be drained completely before the head is removed. The purpose is to drain out most of the blood which would serve as a good culture medium for micro organisms. The spinal cord must not be cut because the nerve fibres to the heart could be damaged during the process causing cardiac arrest, stagnating the blood in the blood vessels.

2.   Blood is a good medium for germs and bacteria:

Blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. Therefore the Muslim way of slaughtering is more hygienic as most of the blood containing germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. that are the cause of several diseases are eliminated.

3.   Meat remains fresh for a longer time:

Meat slaughtered by Islamic way remains fresh for a longer time due to deficiency of blood in the meat as compared to other methods of slaughtering.

4.   Animal does not feel pain:

The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles defecient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body. For this fact you can consultant any renowned vetenary doctor and he will tell you that in islamic method, pain is nil since the brain nerves and other part is immediately disconnected and we dont disconnect spinal cord as at the time of slaugttering as the same will cause cardiac arrest and blood will remain in the animal itself leaving room for contamination of flesh while sikh disconnect the spunal also at the same time.

 

Regarding quotation of quran you are quoting out of context Mr. Gandhi and request you all to see the link attahced

1. https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CCYQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZVARCtcZZvY&ei=ekCKUJ-TBImZiAf8k4G4Aw&usg=AFQjCNHN-aQd4kJhRiTPJ8tWAssV7QgosQ

2. https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D46FEDqjx_dk&ei=ekCKUJ-TBImZiAf8k4G4Aw&usg=AFQjCNH_7urOj-F-xPmPA3nB2x5Fgcn8lw

3. https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49P-ivpn-mw&ei=ekCKUJ-TBImZiAf8k4G4Aw&usg=AFQjCNExiJL3EI9dHgf0ngyXW3EWtx4npQ

Also read the Misconception about islam;

1. https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CDgQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.islamhouse.com%2Fd%2Fdata%2Fen%2Fih_books%2Fsingle%2Fen_Common_Questions.pdf&ei=9keKULWMF8WTiAe42oCIBg&usg=AFQjCNFClOA_VbK_KXIv3EYV-i2UrIiH7Q

 

Still any query left you can contact me at halim_siddiqui @ yahoo.com instead talking about difference in public and at such renowned professional platform . I think Admin should block this controversy and open a new site known as www.CSCLUBINDIA.com  for such issues

 

As a Chartered Accountant we have much more issue about client than dealing with such points. And also as an true citizen of India we should abide and respect OUR CONSTITUTION which has given Freedom of religion to all of such and we should respect each other religion .Infact we as a professional are more responsible to unite all people by talking about common thing & not difference.

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Ankur S Kumar (CA) (204 Points)
Replied 26 October 2012

Originally posted by : CA Abdul Halim Siddiqui



The Islamic mode of slaughtering an animal requires the following conditions to be met:

a. Animal should be slaughtered with sharp object (knife)

The animal has to be slaughtered with a sharp object (knife) and in a fast way so that the pain of slaughter is minimised.

b. Cut wind pipe, throat and vessels of neck

Zabiha is an Arabic word which means ‘slaughtered’. The ‘slaughtering’ is to be done by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord.

c. Blood should be drained

The blood has to be drained completely before the head is removed. The purpose is to drain out most of the blood which would serve as a good culture medium for micro organisms. The spinal cord must not be cut because the nerve fibres to the heart could be damaged during the process causing cardiac arrest, stagnating the blood in the blood vessels.


4.   Animal does not feel pain:

The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles defecient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body. For this fact you can consultant any renowned vetenary doctor and he will tell you that in islamic method, pain is nil since the brain nerves and other part is immediately disconnected and we dont disconnect spinal cord as at the time of slaugttering as the same will cause cardiac arrest and blood will remain in the animal itself leaving room for contamination of flesh while sikh disconnect the spunal also at the same time.

 

Mr. Abdul, you have merely concentrated on the proper way of slaughtering animals and proved that the Islamic way is the best. However, you should understand that anyway you slaughter, whether Muslim way or a Sikh way, after all the mere act of slaughtering is barbaric and basically cruel. Imagine if you or your family members had to pass through the same fate and the individual organs were put up for sale in an abbatoir ? Please understand that even the animals have life and emotions. They too feel love for their offsprings. They too feel the pain of seperation from their dear one's. There is a difference between eating a plant and and eating an animal. Plants have low consciousness level and animals have high consciousness level. Thus, eating plants is less sinful. For survival we do not need to eat meat, as killing an animal in any case is cruel.


CA SHAFI SIDDIQUI (Ca in Practice) (228 Points)
Replied 26 October 2012

I think eating plants is more cruel.

Because, they tooo r living things.... and on other hand they cant express their feelings as what animals can do.... so killing them is a lot taboooooo.
 

I dontthink u might be knowing the legend behind this sacrifice. Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) ws ordered via dreams to slaughter his only son of 11, by Allah the Almighty, just to test him.
Prophet was successfull in his test, and he tried to do the act, but Allah, the Almighty stopped him, as a reward for his obidience. We toooo follow this, as we want to show that we too test to sacrifice our animal, money, time, efforts to match his sacrifice.

We people of today are being tested on a leeser extent, animals in place of our own son. Guyz if u wanna understand it, come to a common place, we can discuss it there, in more suitable way.


CA SHAFI SIDDIQUI (Ca in Practice) (228 Points)
Replied 26 October 2012

Eid-ul-Adha is, according to Islamic teaching, a time for Muslims to learn the value of self-denial by making a sacrifice of something living to God. It is stringently denied by most Muslim theologians that the sacrifice has any further significance and it is especially denied that religious sacrifice has any atoning or propitiatory value. Abraham's great act of submission is thus regarded solely as an example of genuine surrender to the will of God and is to be followed as such.

 

U can read about it,

https://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/eid.html

 

here......





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even its done by few hindus too.., we have no right to hurt others..,as we read many times.."Jeeva himsa maha papam" then taking one's life to please the God...., kisi masoom ki jaan lene se..khush hojaaye... usse tho hum bhagwan bhi nahi kehsakthe..., If we really want to please the God...then start loving, caring others... start taking care of those animals, feed them..provide shelter to them... then god will bless us for sure..., and if we want to sacrifice something...then its ourself.., our comforts, our desires..to be sacrified but absolutely not the innocent creatures.....
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CA Abdul Halim Siddiqui (Partner) (481 Points)
Replied 26 October 2012

Dear A Kumar...how can you be so selfish? Islam has came for whole of humanity and for all world people and not only for people of india alone..if ur argument were hold true than people of Iceland  and Saudi arab would have died bcoz the temperature there does not allow us to grow plant. Anyways request you to watch the video properly and read that PDF file attached..your all query will be answered...and the law makers are more intelligent than us hence they are up and we r jus debating...see Killing of tiger is illegal bcoz the rate of reproduction is less whereas in case of goat it is more than and we can see that even after many years of this practice we get abundant number of  goat every year...n in india were we shout for slogan hum do hamare do if there killing of goat ,etc would be illegal than  there would be more crowd of goat than human here...n there is no concept of Small crime or big crime .all sins are sins...would u say half murderu/s 307 of IPC is less sins than 302...dont talk like child..n again respect this platform and close the matter..rather we can continue on mail?



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